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I personally don't think it matters much at all, except in channels that specifically identify that way. However, I am male, hetero, cis, so its possible I'm just clueless.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Doesn't matter at all. A person is a person.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

and some of us are barely people

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Everyone is a complete person. Don't belittle yourself like that.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I feel like a ‘raccoon’ that self-identifies as a ‘ramblingpanda’ on lemmy should be given…a warm welcome!

The trash is in the kitchen, the bamboo is out back, the bourbon is in the den, and the game starts in 5.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

That's a party of my taste 💖

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I swear there’s at least one wasp who posts pro-wasp propaganda

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I do think we all try to keep that spirit around here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

No spirits! Only people.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I know you're probably a kind person, but imo, this kind of reductionistism is incompatible with being pro-trans-rights.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In what way am I reducing them?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

Not the person you're replying to but it kinda feels like the "oh I don't see color" comment when somebody brings up racism. To me, it feels... dismissive? I dunno. I don't think what you said is a problem or anything, it just... feels like it has bad connotations to me. Take this with a grain of salt, what I understand and interpret can be very different from what you say, which can also differ from what you mean.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm not quite grasping the context you're asking the question, but I will say gender matters on Lemmy in the sense that I want full representation from all genders (and non-gender folk). The value of conversation here is derived from the many viewpoints that each of us bring. Without full representation, we'll be missing valuable inside and perspective if a specific gender (or non-gender) is missing.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Identity in general doesn't matter much on forums (as opposed to microblogs, like Twitter or Mastodon). Forums are focused on topics rather than people, and what is said is generally more important than who says it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

And that's why I'm here. People centric media stresses me.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I'm a lady and haven't had any trouble here. The only place I really notice how ridiculously male - skewed Lemmy is, is on the NSFW. That is definitely all "male gaze" stuff, with the occasional actual lesbian also posting stuff guys like. Even the posts OF men are FOR men, everything posted with some assumption only men are looking at the posts.

The other communities just aren't so gendered, I don't notice much whether someone seems to be one or the other, it isn't relevant to cocktails or cooking or gardening or science fiction.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Lemmy is definitely a more male space than I think even reddit was, and that does affect the tone of certain conversations. It really is a whiplash coming here from Mastodon sometimes and seeing a very different vibe.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Even the women are men here /s

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Why not make a new account with a femme sounding username and see? Don’t pretend you need help with a bra or anything, just interact with lemmy while “labeled” a woman.

I have a more masculine username and a more feminine username (both seem like spins on given names, think UrArthUr and Bekky), and there is a difference in how I’m perceived, or at least how people respond to me. It’s not huge, and I’m afab irl, so I’m also not surprised- I don’t think I’ve ever been somewhere where people can freely interact and it had no effect (or at least not since I grew tits).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do people look at the usernames before replying to a message or post?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I may do it if the username is spelled with emojis (color is really noticable when everything around it is plain text) or has a stupid take.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm really happy my Lemmy app (Thunder) has an option to not show display names. I only see normal usernames and none of that KOLONAK bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago

Depends on context, as always. A user sharing a story on social interaction, gender may be quite important to how they experienced it and how others perceive it. I.e., a post the other day asking about worst dates and the average worst date for men was a woman on coke or a no show. The average worst date for women was about getting sexually assaulted or raped.

Men are victims of those things too and can face different repercussions when they try to pursue help. Understanding their experiences within the context of them being men is also important.

Stripping gender from these stories only obfuscates some of the problems.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

That Lemmy hasn't devolved into an incel freak show is a barely functional alliance between the left lean and heavy moderation against the fact that Lemmy skews into Extra Opinionated Redditors (aka nerdy, lonely men)

When some poor lady tried to get a TwoX going here the comment sections were always a sausage fest of attempting to mansplain away women's personal experiences and concerns and that's really all you need to know about things.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Definitely does not matter. The only thing that matters is, if you behave like an asshole or not.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

How would people even know other peoples gender?

There are people who share their pronouns/gender, but they are pretty rare

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

Far less than on Reddit, but it still affects someone's experiences. e.g. just bc someone does not experience something daily does not mean that it never happens, but often a person in a minority status group has no choice to ignore such, while the privileged status person can.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m male, hetero, and cis, too. I know there will be some things I’ll never fully understand because of that.

I try to keep things gender neutral (they, y’all). I know I’ll be wrong sometimes. When I’m corrected, I apologize and make sure I don’t repeat the mistake. There will be rare occasions where that’s not good enough for someone, but I look at that as more their issue than mine. I’m being sincere, and doing the best I can.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

I'll disagree with most of this thread and say it somewhat does, because your views and biases are heavily influenced by your gender. So if genders are all the same, you're just going to have a circlejerk. Is there something we should do about it? No, but I feel recognizing that it plays a big factor in a community is important.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I call everyone dude, or man, especially when I’m excited. Idc what your gender is, you’re still my dude.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

You can’t really generalize. It matters as much as the person you’re talking to or about thinks it matters.

If they don’t care; fine. But most people want to be properly gendered.

In most discussions here it’s not really relevant or important but it’s simple enough to use gender neutral pronouns when someone’s gender is unknown

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

It is very much context dependant. People want to say it does not matter, and in our default context, it theoretically does not. There are certain contexts where use of outdated patriarchal norms of the past will garner a response. In a sense it must matter that it does not matter.

My mind is drawn to the old adage, "hate is not the opposite of love; indifference is. For to hate is to still care in common with those that love."

If you use gender incorrectly here, or, in a broader context, act like an ass about gender you are likely to garner a reaction.

There was a post here in the last few weeks about someone on reddit that posted about a guy giving his partner an old iPod or some device like that as part of a birthday gift with other things, and getting eviscerated for the idea. Then after reversing the gender roles, under the same premise, the opposite reaction was the outcome. I don't think we are the same demographic here, but I also imagine we might display a similar objective bias in honest and objective aggregate.

So does it matter here, IMO, we'd like to think it does not, but we are biased like any group. We are generally aware and appreciative of our diverse community members and tend to prefer gender neutrality when possible, like assuming they/them is generally good decorum and practiced here. When an anthropomorphic gender assignment is appropriate, the cool kids default female.

At least that is the lay of the land abstracted as I see it when one speaks the unspeakable.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It doesn't. What they say is what matters. Not whose saying it. Gender is irrelevant unless I'm going to date them or we're about to lift heavy things.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It matters when looking at NSFW channels.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

Not for me 😈

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Matters so much more than most people admit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It doesn't really matter, anyone can use Lemmy, regardless of gender identity or orientation. Some instances and communities are better suited for specific groups than others but for the most part we're all people.

My gender:No gender, Only Dragon🐉
🖤🤍💚🤍🖤

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Beneath each woman is a man, and beneath him is a teenage boy, and beneath him is a bot. After that, it's bots all the way down.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Using people's PPs still matters. Especially if you're talking about a user who clearly puts them in their display name. If someone with she/her pronouns is replied to by someone referring to them as him and he, that's a dick move.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

In the context of the internet at large seeming to believe every user is male? I'd say that's still standard practice here even if it's not as prevalent an assumption as on other social media. How much that matters though is subjective.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I would say less than on reddit but still a thing. Being cisgender still is treated as a norm and the sort of folks who openly display misogynistic tendencies are fewer and farther between... But any innocuous mention to being trans will very get you a couple of dedicated downvoters or people who use gender essentialist arguements, silencing tactics (oh you're just being devisive) or transphobic rhetoric.

Not to say that it is bad comparatively. This is one of the most trans neutral places on the internet. It's not "trans friendly" mind you, I would categorize that as places where concensus about trans people being a normal thing to be has been reached and attention has shifted away from our basic rights as being up for debate... But trans neutral spaces are important too. We need holding spaces away from places where trans people talk openly where people can get to know us where the majority of support shuts down open hostility towards us prompting more nuanced interaction.

A lot of trans hostile spaces exist out there where being openly trans or advocacy for our needs invites a lot of death threats, calls for suicide, doxxing attacks and so on. If you see a comment section on youtube on a queer creator for instance that's overwhelmingly trans positive that generally means there's heavy moderation at play because they are trying to create spaces safe for their queer audience to interact with each other. What you as a casual visitor generally don't see is the mental cost being taken on by that moderation team to artificially create the illusion of that positive space. Here on this instance that level of moderation is unnecessary because generally speaking the volume is manageable.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

on the internet everyone is just a wall of text to me. (pronouns: it/its)

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