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The poll shows that public views of Musk are increasingly polarized, with Republican support of the billionaire rising while Democratic support falls.

Elon Musk’s support among Democrats has withered to a new low as he has embraced Republican politics, according to a national NBC News poll

Only 6% of Democrats in the poll, which was conducted Sept. 13-17, said they had positive feelings about Musk, while 79% said they had negative feelings. The numbers were flipped for Republicans, with 62% having positive feelings toward him and 14% negative feelings. Independents were split, 31% to 36%. 

The poll shows that views of Musk are increasingly polarized, reflecting the transformation of his public image in recent years from that of an environmentally aware automaker crusading against fossil fuels to that of a conservative activist aligned with former President Donald Trump.

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[–] [email protected] 291 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

The fuck is wrong with that 6%?

[–] [email protected] 216 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They are stock holders, left holding the bag.

[–] [email protected] 92 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Haha I think I met one!

Dude was a eco-friendly pro-Kamala pro-weed driving a Tesla.

When I made a joke about buying a Tesla before Elon went crazy, he kinda sheepishly shrugged and then excitedly talked about all the new things Tesla is coming out with.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Full Self Driving super soon except you still need to intervene regularly and also robotaxis will never work so it's pointless anyway!

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

5 years.

Pinky swear.

Oh, and Mars.. 2025. I meant 202025

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The worst part is we could definitely have a mars base with today’s technology.

It’s just not economically or scientifically necessary to set up. Robots can do 99% of what a human can on mars, scientifically speaking, and if they break we can just build another one. If someone dies on mars, it’s gonna global news for weeks.

And mars doesn’t exactly have a huge open pit of platinum or something we want to mine, so there’s no economic incentive to set up a colony.

Musk just wants to sell the sci-fi vaporware fantasy to shareholders because SpaceX has one viable product and he’s desperate for no one to notice that.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (9 children)

Waymo is already operating fully autonomous self driving taxis in SF. Price point is about the same as uber/lyft, a bit cheaper since no tip. And they are all hella nice Jaguars. The difference is Waymo uses lidar and radar to make it work (and also did intensive mapping of city streets). Still needs a lot of work to scale (they do dumb things, but so do human drivers, and are limited to the city so I can't take one to or from my home in Berkeley yet) but they fully exist and are a viable option today.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Man, after years as a valet ages ago I'm so anti Jaguar. Every single time one came through, it had problems. Owners constantly griped about it being in and out the shop a bunch. Nice at a glance, but plenty of the "luxury" brands are apparently made with fucking plastic and band aids.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Being excited about technological progress at Tesla or SpaceX doesn't mean you're a fan or supporter of Musk. These companies are full of thousands of engineers doing this work while the absentee CEO is spending his time shitposting and driving Twitter into the ground.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

He's holding them back with his ego.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

True. If the engineers and market experts would have had a say in this, they would have made a Micro-Van.

6 Seats, 3.5x1.8 meters, 300km range, flat pack floor folding seats in the back.... AND ALLOWED IN EUROPE FOR NOT BEING A PEDESTRIAN KILLING MACHINE.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I 100% agree with that and think they need to kick him to the curb. What influence and publicity he could generate for the companies 10 years ago is now long gone and has now transformed into a giant liability.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago

They bought a Tesla and now feel like they have to defend their decision

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why was there even a poll for this?

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[–] [email protected] 124 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

“I, a genius, will alienate the group who want EVs to curry favor with the group who will never buy EVs. Genius, I say.”

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

He has to satisfy the guys they fronted him the billions he needed to buy and destroy Twitter.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

He's just seeing what Trump and the GOP are planning for the US and hopes he'll be one of the oligarchs at the top in the end.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Thats fine, I'm sure Republicans will start buying EVs any day now

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The next tesla model will have a coal oven inside it. Will still run on electricity, the oven is just in there so you can do some pollution too. The main factor in making the electric part palpable to republicans will be telling them how brown people are being exploited to get the materials for the batteries out of the ground.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 weeks ago

Still too high.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 weeks ago

6% is waaay too high

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (14 children)

Who. Fucking. Cares.

(Not directed at OP, just the idea of the survey in general. Who needed to know this information? Why do they think the public needs to know how popular a random rich guy it's.)

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

he's not a random rich guy and claiming that is either disingenuous or irresponsible. though i get the frustration, just because he's a demonic troglodyte you wish you never heard about anymore doesn't mean you get to ignore his existence. then they get to do whatever they want.

pushback, scrutiny and ridicule are the only tools we have against massively influential cunts. and because they're massively influential, their popularity matters.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Someone may want to know if you are a Democrat or Republican (for advertising, for gerrymandering, whatever). That person may not be able to ask you a direct question like that though (or may feel that you may lie about the answer to such a question anyway).

As such, they likely carry out occasional surveys asking people who are Democrat or Republicans for their opinions on something else. Once they find something else that can strongly correlate your political affiliation with a specific opinion, they know of a new question they can ask someone. That new question should generally reveal what your political party is most likely and they can then proceed with that "most likely" answer.

So "who cares" is those who cannot directly ask you something. They will ask you something else and use that answer to deduce the information they cannot obtain directly.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Fuck Elon

Fuck Tesla

Fuck Xitter

Fuck Spa Sex

Fuck Starlink

Did I miss anyone? Oh yes, and Fuck Elon.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Neuralink.

Fuck that shit, too.

(Especially when you learn about thiel and the other tech Bros plans to harvest humans for biofuel by keeping them alive and hooked up in a virtual world. As a more "humane alternative to genocide")

https://newrepublic.com/article/183971/jd-vance-weird-terrifying-techno-authoritarian-ideas

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why do these people keep looking at the Matrix as a manual instead of a warning?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

One of my super tinfoil theories is that all mainstream science/speculative fiction is a psyop not meant to warn, but to desensitise us to the dystopia.

Obviously, that would just seem crazy...

On an unrelated note:

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2015/12/21/41772/

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Fuck Spa Sex

What did spa sex ever do to you tho?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

It ruined Myspacex

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

The Boring Company, fuck them, too.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 weeks ago

Really good way to sell electric cars. Good job Elon.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Something to avoid- standing near a parked Tesla with sentry mode enabled drains its battery significantly as it tracks you. Locating a camera and displaying a paper sign, one light enough to blow in the wind that reads “musk sucks”, would accomplish the same thing, and should also be avoided.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

While funny... I think you underestimate how big the battery in a Tesla is and also how little power the computer would pull.

THAT said... I wonder if there is a drive somewhere that could be filled doing that?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

From what I understand, it wastes an extra ~2%/hr. A tragic sum, if done repeatedly throughout the week. I think it overwrights old data as the drive fills. I can’t see utility in that, aside from mischievously scrubbing old footage.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago

Concerning!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Why in God's good name would I care about Elon Muskrat's popularity among Democrats?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

YOU might not. But I'm sure the politicians and bureaucrats who determine whether Musk's businesses continue getting billions in taxpayer funded subsidies would sure like to know if the public is behind continuing to do that. I for one would consider it a bonus if say, the Democrats won control in November, looked at the numbers and decided none of their supporters are behind Musk, determined he's been playing fast and loose using taxpayer dollars to fund pushing his own political agenda, and turned off the free ride.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Who the hell are those 6%?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

62% positive isn't really the flipside of 79% negative.
If you combine the 6 and 62% positive and estimate they are about equal size demographics, it's only about 34% positive combined, with 47% negative.
I bet that when Tesla collapses, the 62% positive republicans will decline too. Republicans are only positive towards him because they think he is some sort of money guru.

Tesla is losing marketshare hard in Europe, and probably in China too, if it isn't happening already in USA it is probably imminent, as Tesla developments of new cars can't keep up with the pace of the competition, and Tesla models are looking more and more outdated. Tesla is already looking like a failing company, despite they have by far the biggest marketshare in pure EV.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Tesla also lost a ton of the initial talent that made the model S and X such incredible feats of technology. IMO, if I buy and electric car here in the states it’s a Lucid, and if I get an SUV it’s a Rivian.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Is that the 6% that are buying Tesla's? Seriously though it's not like the right are buying his electric cars

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

We cannot explain why it's this high

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Seems like that's his goal?

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