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Forces had no direct confrontation with Hamas terrorists who killed hostages; 'The IDF and security forces are doing everything possible to bring all hostages home as quickly as possible. This news shakes us all,' says army spokesperson Hagari

Israeli forces discovered the bodies of six hostages in a 65-foot-deep tunnel in Rafah, approximately a kilometer from where hostage Farhan Alkadi was recently freed. The IDF had no precise intelligence on the hostages' location in recent months but knew there were captives in the sector, leading to a gradual and cautious operation in Rafah since the ground offensive began.

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[–] [email protected] 150 points 2 months ago (10 children)

These people might have been alive if we had a ceasefire. But no, Netanyahu's political career is more important.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They could have had all the hostages back in October. Hamas just wanted back the hostages that Israel holds.

And again, they could have had all the hostages back in May.

Netanyahu seems committed to genocide and the hostages are collateral damage.

It's deranged and I am ashamed our western leaders are cheerleading this.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Hamas didn't just want hostages back in October, but let's not get derailed, yes it's true that the Israelis could have stopped the war at many occasions.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Some Palestinian children and international aid workers are going to pay dearly for this.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (7 children)

There's apparently a very rancorous debate in Israeli politics right now about accepting a ceasefire and a lot of people are angry that they're not making more concessions to get a ceasefire.

It's blatantly clear that Netanyahu has no desire to rescue the hostages.

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So says the IDF, anyway. I'll believe it when someone independent confirms it.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 months ago (47 children)

It's no mental stretch to believe idf would kill their own to further the genocide agenda.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Considering they already have, multiple times, I guess I could agree with you

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it seems more the IDF is just shooting literally anything human-shaped. Aid workers, friendlies, journalists, civilians, in addition to the odd actual "guy actually shooting at us".

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago

After all, if the hostages are already dead no need for a ceasefire.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

I don't think they intentionally would, but indiscriminate bombing has the tendency to create unintentional deaths for everyone involved.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 2 months ago (45 children)

says army spokesperson Hagari

99% chance that it's either a complete fabrication or a distortion of the truth when an IDF spokesperson is the ONLY source. Let's see if anyone even remotely reliable confirms the story.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (30 children)

What a terrible article. What is the source or evidence the hostages were executed? People are saying it’s a claim by the IDF but it’s not even attributed to them. From reading the article I have no idea who is making this claim or how it is supported. That’s not how journalism works.

So much angst about unreliable sources here, but we’re letting this fly?

Edit: Here is a better summary of the available source information. It is coming from the IDF, but they haven’t really said much other than it was obvious to them Hamas was the culprit. We’ll have to see what further information they release.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-war-hostages-hersh-netanyahu-29496f50a9b1740bd3905035ffd23052

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The IDF and security forces are doing everything possible to bring all hostages home as quickly as possible.

Then apparently a ceasefire isn’t “possible”. STFU, Hagari.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

'Quick, bomb more civilian choke points!'

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago

"Hostages found bludgeoned to death with rubble in tunnel that was liberated by IDF bombs."

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (13 children)

with how happy the IDF has been with killing the hostage themselves so far, I have a hard time believing it. Could it have happened? Sure. Did it? Since the IDF says it did, it's much more likely that it didn't.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (17 children)

The hostages seem like the only bargaining chip they have (not that it's much of a bargaining chip), so I'm surprised they're doing it. Maybe they've decided that it isn't worth it.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Probably frustration and despair. If your bargaining chip can't get you a bargain, all they're worth is 'revenge' against your opponent.

What a fucked situation.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (39 children)

Thinking on it, it was probably also costing them what are now valuable resources to keep them alive. When it's near impossible to get in and out of Gaza, food, medicine, etc. are worth their weight in gold.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I put as much faith in this as I do the hospital tunnel story.

Anything the IDF says is to be treated as bunk without at least 2 corroborating sources. The IDF lies like they breathe, so I'm more willing to assume they killed the hostages to make Hamas look bad than anything they actually say.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's entirely possible this is total nonsense, but I could also see them realizing that keeping them alive was an exercise in futility and, as I suggested in another comment, a waste of precious resources like food.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Oh, don't get me wrong, it could maybe possibly be true. We're just getting it from a serial liar, so the message is untrustworthy on its face.

I'll be extremely saddened if I'm wrong here, because those people didn't deserve this. But given Israel's long history of blatant lies in the name of PR against anything Palestinian, I'm not going to believe it until a credible source backs up their statement.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Depending on how recently they were executed, it makes perfect sense. As the one holding hostages, you want to set the precedent that the only way to get them out alive is via negotiation.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

They died recently enough for the bodies to be quickly identifiable. No DNA tests necessary or anything apparently.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Israeli spokesperson had this to say "When we forced people to live in slums and ghetto's we thought they would act like our ancestors, and we could just slaughter them. I guess that's not how genocide always works. But we with will keep trying no matter how many innocent children die! Because when the victims stands up for themselves, we lose, and the Zionism cult doesn't allow for that."

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