alas, many of us will never reach goose-farm level success
this post was submitted on 28 Aug 2024
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Yeah that sounds way more enjoyable, but first you need the 250k and up salary that a principal engineer at MS makes for 20 years, then you have plenty of equity to focus on whatever your hobby is
Average 350k according to levels.fyi.
I was expecting higher for principal tbh
I think MS like other big tech companies has started to run out of "senior" positions without paying more so many people just end up as "senior" principal engineers which is basically "this is as far as you can go if you don't want to get involved in management"
“this is as far as you can go if you don’t want to get involved in management”
Yes. That exactly. This typically comes with a nice perk: Principals are supposed to have the same clout as lower-level managers. Which is to say they usually report to Directors or even the CTO in some organizations.
Another one is "Independent Contributor" which is similar but, as the name would suggest, is very self sufficient and does not work on (or for) a team. They're basically one-man engineering shops and are expected to perform well everywhere in the company's tech and talent stacks. As a result, ICs are very rare.
Jokes on programming. Hated life before being forced into it..
Edit: it meaning programming. This isn’t supposed to be that edgy.
Just try being uneducated and working in a dead end factory job while having hated life all your life anyway!
Much fun! -46/10 would never recommend!
I wish I was forced into programming... I tried on my own and just don't have the mind for it, I find it incredibly boring. All my friends are in the field and all work from home wherever the hell they want to live. I'm stuck in a VHCOL area with shit income and 0 potential to increase it :(
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This isn't a shit post, its the truth
You ever been around geese? Those terrible shits take shits everywhere, all the time. Loud, nasty birds.
Currently have 26 ducks and one goose on my farm so I get it.
You ever been around Microsoft management? It's an improvement.
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Our previous CTO left by saying "I have enough money now. Peace out!"
We need more of those people, people who find contentment in their wealth instead of endlessly pursuing more wealth.
I feel like the progression of my "Programming shelf" says a lot about my career trajectory as well.
The programmer to homesteader pipeline is real.
Just know that complete self sufficiency is a pipe dream, whereas community sufficiency is much more achievable
I wholeheartedly agree, I've been going down the pipeline myself and this has been my approach. Recently I've been working with family and neighbors to get a community garden going.
You read some Thoreau and immediately wanted to leave society behind lol, I see you took his lessons to heart.
The other pivot point is The Pragmatic Programmer, which is totally understandable.
That book does a good job of grounding the reader through examples and parables from everywhere else but IT. By the end, you realize that good software engineering makes the best of general problem-solving skills, rather than some magical skillset peculiar to computing. You wind up reaching a place where you can begin to solve nearly any problem through use of the same principles. So @codex here, perhaps effortlessly, went on to management instead.
What are those books on Doom and Wolfenstein? Is it the game development black book by sanglard? That’s the book I found with a bit of searching
Yes, those are the Game Engine Black Books (Doom|Wolfenstein) by Fabien Sanglard. Highly recommended for anyone interested in games, programming, and history. They are amazing time capsules of those games and the development environments that produced them. I think/hope he's working on GEBB: Quake and I'm so excited for him to eventually release it!
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That's what a year of being a software architect does to you.
You spent all those years down in the trenches implementing bullshit designs an architect came up with, positive you could do better if you just got the chance. Then you go to graduate school to get the qualifications companies say you need to be an architect. You receive a masters degree. You're your companies leading expert on software design. You get promoted to architect.
That's when you find out the truth. All those previous architects left for the same reason you someday will. It wasn't the previous architects making the terrible decisions that frustrated you. It was the marketing team and the CEO telling the CTO that the software product must have certain buzzwords present in the design. Those buzzwords offer no value to what your software product is meant to accomplish. But if you don't put them in the designs, they'll fire you and hire someone who will play their games.
Eventually, you can't take it anymore. Having interfaced with the upper levels of your company, and having the understanding of systems engineering you do, you realize that every software firm will be this. There is nowhere you can go that will be better. You start saving.
Your goal is to save enough money to purchase a small plot of land and put an organic farm on it. Your convictions for this farm are simple: it must be able to feed your family. This may not be exclusively what you envision for it, and you may not even intend for it to be the only source of food for your family, but it will help you be less reliant on the kinds of corporation you've come to know and come to see as irrevocably evil.
And then sometimes, you get people like this in the post. Who find enough success farming to focus their energy on it exclusively.
I was in my first architecture review meeting this week.
The accuracy is infuriating and humbling.
If you give a shit about your work and the product you’re working on, then don’t work in a big company. In big companies, people are there for the money and maybe for a good looking entry on their resume, so they’ll only do what they’re being told to do, after all they’ll be elsewhere in 2 years tops.
If you have ideals and don’t just work for money, don’t work in the corporate world. Small to mid-size employers come with a lot less bs and more engaged co-workers.
22 years. 1 year is chicken farmer, 10 is ducks, 15 is, oddly, Alpacas, and 20 is geese.
Yeah, after 22 years at Microsoft in a senior position, you should be able to retire and do whatever the fuck you want as a hobby. I very highly doubt this guy will ever make significant money from goose farming.
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I’m a senior/principal engineer with 20+ years of experience and I can’t even think about retiring any time soon. All the posts in this thread are making me super sad. And the posted salary numbers are way higher than mine. :(
20 years of Microsoft stock options is a good pile of money
Might be one of the few times a Lemmy post related to me.
I have owned a farm for four years, and do engineering for fun. AMA
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To have such a good career payout that you don’t need a career.
Honestly jealous
Okay, thats the response for rich people. Whats the offer for less rich who would like to "disconnect from the system"?
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We have a principal software engineer who is a part-time farmer. He has chickens and cows.
Man I'm starting to think I've got the wrong hobbies. Maybe I do need to get out more.
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I quit my 20+ year career as a sysadmin about 2 years ago and started turning my backyard into a massive garden. I'm currently trying to figure out places to sell large quantities of hot peppers and I'm about to start selling matted and framed photos of flowers and wildlife from my garden.
Fuck IT.
i'm a data analyst. there's an urge to say fuck this shit and start a brewery. That urge is there every single day.
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You should say "This is how something looks" or "This is what something looks like", but don't put the "how" and the "like" in the same statement.
That is not how it should look like.
This is what not it should look
The Venn diagram overlap of senior+ programmers and farmers is oddly large
I have taken a half step in this direction and it’s improved my life greatly.
I still have a normal job, but my Covid project back in 2020 was to finally put a koi pond in my back yard. I spend way more time learning and thinking about it than keeping up on tech shit. And the job I have now is great - I’m not trying to escape from it or anything.
The best part is that even the guy I bought my recent koi from has a microbiology degree. He’s properly living the “x farmer” dream, but that “job” is much more than a 9-5.
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Not in computers. I'm an accountant. I don't have enough money to throw the double middle fingers. Can somebody please, for the love of all that's holy, show me the way out or, you know, come sneak onto my property when I'm not looking and delete me?
Edit: JUST now, I got told that I'm unprofessional because I refuse to give my personal cell phone number to all three thousand of our clients. I said that my private phone funded by my personal money is not a business asset and they can give me a company phone if they want me texting clients. This was met with a huff, turning of a back on me, and storming off.
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