If it's Android with Google apps, it isn't your phone.
this post was submitted on 31 Jul 2024
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Anything that runs the Android version that came with it will gather data on you and short of permanently disabling the data connection, you will not be able to escape it. Google gives back door access to everything it wants, constantly sends encrypted data packets to its servers that only they know what they contain and doesn't give you the ability to stop any of it.
If you have a Pixel phone installing GrapheneOS is incredibly easy. It gives you full control over what the apps installed on it are allowed to do on your phone, including Google's if you wish to install them (unlike on other phones where the privacy options are grayed out for them and permanently enabled). Mind you, you will lose some functionality if you block everything. But you are empowered to decide which apps you trust to do what on your own phone and disable what you don't need.
If you have something else than a Pixel, LineageOS is an option, however the installation process might be more complicated.
Mind you, with the FOSS alternatives you will sometimes experience some jank or advanced features that don't work. But it is a tiny price to pay to know you're not giving your data away. It has gotten far better in the last few years as well, at least from my experience with GrapheneOS
GrapheneOS and kiss your live maps goodbye.
Faraday bags for phones.
Google exists for selling ads. All their tech exists to support them doing just that. You're the product.
...within reason. I know that the top answer will be to flash a different OS on your device. A lot of us are not at that point right now.
As long as you know the real answer already.
Do a factory reset on the phone, disable EVERY app you don't want to use (app info, disable works in modern AOSP even for apps you can't uninstall like youtube)
Don't link your google account to the phone.
Test your phone by saying "OK Google" and making sure it doesn't respond.
Slowly install the apps you want / need, testing the "ok google" and spanish text to see if it triggers some data-scraping service.
TrackerControl is an effective firewall. Blocking internet access to most google apps, like google framework. It should suffice for most of your needs. Even if it detects something, the data won't be sent to their servers.
Do test to see if any other services end up broken while blocked.
How is the battery draw on that? I see it uses a local VPN which I imagine would affect it somewhat.
I've just charged my phone so I'll look at the battery usage after a couple of hours, but it's likely very low
Disable apps
Are you using Gbord? Changing your keyboard app is easy and may be painless depending on how you type. I like Heliboard, there are many others though https://f-droid.org/packages/helium314.keyboard/
You can also use something like RethinkDNS https://f-droid.org/packages/com.celzero.bravedns/ and block connections to Google (or anywhere else)
Those would be a start
Heliboard is excellent. I've been using the privacy focused FUTO keyboard, which meets my needs a little better. It's not open source, but it is source available, so I trust it as long as that's the case. Otherwise, heliboard would easily be my top choice.
but translation certainly isn’t [done on device]
Google Translate has downloadable language packs and runs on device, including offline in foreign countries without roaming data. Including the live video OCR and replacement.
That’s not to say that what you experienced isn’t creepy, but it’s not necessarily cloud-driven.
Fair enough. I've also been using an incredible on-device translator, RTranslator, which is truly next-level, and FOSS. If anyone else out there has translation needs, I highly recommend it!
RTranslate is great, though it did sometimes not translate sections of the German text I gave it.
I don’t care if I’m the most downvoted for this, and I read your disclaimer but… iPhone. I loved Android but switched to iOS after playing with my partner’s phone and I couldn’t be happier. All the weird privacy invasive things like Siri (which I aways have disabled), image recognition/search, FaceID, and all that are on-device and send no data out. My current phone is six years old and works perfectly, and I’ve never reformatted it.
I know lemmy hates Apple, but if you want a phone where an advertising company isn’t constantly spying on everything you do and don’t want to fiddle with installing a different OS, it’s amazing.
This is the answer.
Don’t buy a phone made by an advertising company if you don’t want everything you use it for to feed ads data.
Not anymore. Apple is in the advertising business, albeit less than Google right now.
Are you seriously that dumb that you're comparing selling ads in a store (the App Store) with selling ads on every other inch of the internet?
There is quite some difference between selling ad-space in a store and having ads as your one and only business model. You wouldn't know of course and that's why you are a Google fanboy.
I know lemmy hates Apple, but if you want a phone where an advertising company isn’t constantly spying on everything you do and don’t want to fiddle with installing a different OS, it’s amazing.
Ignorance is truly bliss, isn't it?
All the weird privacy invasive things like Siri (which I aways have disabled), image recognition/search, FaceID, and all that are on-device and send no data out
Did you check their source code? monitored their network traffic with mitm proxy? or just believed what Apple told ya?
Wanna try another talking point you "heard" to feel better about using Apple?
I don't know how helpful it will be, but probably the best thing to do is to just find ways to decrease its use. For me, I made two big changes:
- Bought a step counter.
- Bought an alarm clock.
Those two purchases mean I can turn my phone off at night completely and only have to have it on during the day when I'm actually using it.
That'll help cut down on the data collection. Technologically, I don't think there's a way to have it on 24/7 and completely turn off its native data collecting elements.
If you do need to have it on 24/7, the two biggest changes you can make are turning off location services and mic/content access on all of the apps you use.
It's not a 100% solution, but it'll cut down on a lot of the nonsense.
Now if only there was a way to make it quit nagging me to turn on location every time I try to use maps. I fucking know location is off you stupid fucking "smart" phone.
I have mine set so I'm prompted to enable my location 'this time only', so I get a popup to prompt me whenever I open a maps app. The other options I have are to enable it 'when app is in use' and 'always', neither of which I like, personally.
I'm not sure if that's a universal thing though.