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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (19 children)

I think AI has mostly been about luring investors into pumping up share prices rather than offering something of genuine value to consumers.

Some people are gonna lose a lot of other people's money over it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yes, I'm getting some serious dot-com bubble vibes from the whole AI thing. But the dot-com boom produced Amazon, and every company is basically going all-in in the hope they are the new Amazon while in the end most will end up like pets.com but it's a risk they're willing to take.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (5 children)

“You might lose all your money, but that is a risk I’m willing to take”

  • visionairy AI techbro talking to investors
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I tried to find the advert but I see this on YouTube a lot - an Adobe AI ad which depicts, without shame, AI writing out a newsletter/promo for a business owner's new product (cookies or ice cream or something), showing the owner putting no effort into their personal product and a customer happily consuming because they were attracted by the thoughtless promo.

How are producers/consumers okay with everything being so mediocre??

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

How are producers/consumers okay with everything being so mediocre??

"You're always trying to make everything just a little bit worse so that you can feel good about having a lot more of it. I love it. It's so human!" - The Good Place

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

A lot of it is follow the leader type bullshit. For companies in areas where AI is actually beneficial they have already been implementing it for years, quietly because it isn't something new or exceptional. It is just the tool you use for solving certain problems.

Investors going to bubble though.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

LLMs: using statistics to generate reasonable-sounding wrong answers from bad data.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Often the answers are pretty good. But you never know if you got a good answer or a bad answer.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And the system doesn't know either.

For me this is the major issue. A human is capable of saying "I don't know". LLMs don't seem able to.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Accurate.

No matter what question you ask them, they have an answer. Even when you point out their answer was wrong, they just have a different answer. There's no concept of not knowing the answer, because they don't know anything in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The worst for me was a fairly simple programming question. The class it used didn't exist.

"You are correct, that class was removed in OLD version. Try this updated code instead."

Gave another made up class name.

Repeated with a newer version number.

It knows what answers smell like, and the same with excuses. Unfortunately there's no way of knowing whether it's actually bullshit until you take a whiff of it yourself.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

As I mentioned in another post, about the same topic:

Slapping the words “artificial intelligence” onto your product makes you look like those shady used cars salesmen: in the best hypothesis it’s misleading, in the worst it’s actually true but poorly done.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

I have no qualms about AI being used in products. But when you have to tell me that something is "powered by AI" as if that's your main selling point, then you do not have a good product. Tell me what it does, not how it does it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hi, I'm annoying and want to be helpful. Am I helpful? If I repeat the same options again when you've told me I'm not helpful, will that be helpful? I won't remember this conversation once it's ended.

Hi, which option have you told me you already don't want would you like?

Sorry, I didn't quite catch that, please rage again.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Market shows that investors are actively turned on by products that use AI

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Market shows that the market buys into hype, not value.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Market shows that hype is a cycle and the AI hype is nearing its end.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How can you tell when the cycle is ending?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

When one of two things happens:

  • A new hype starts to replace it (can happen fast though!)
  • The hype starts to specialize into subcategories of the hype (e.g. AI images, AI videos, AI text generation)

When "AI" hype dies down we are likely to see "AI" removed from various topics because enough people know and understand the hyped parent topic. It'll just be "image generation", "video generation", "generated text", etc.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

There are different types of people in the market. The informed ones hate AI, and the uninformed love it. The informed ones tend to be the cornerstones of businesses, and the uninformed ones tend to be in charge.

So we have... All this. All this nonsense. All because of stupid managers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Customers worry about what they can do with it, while investors and spectators and vendors worry about buzzwords. Customers determine demand.

Sadly what some of those customers want to do is to somehow improve their own business without thinking, and then they too care about buzzwords, that's how the hype comes.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Be me

Early adopter of LLMs ever since a random tryout of Replika blew my mind and I set out to figure what the hell was generating its responses

Learn to fine-tune GPT-2 models and have a blast running 30+ subreddit parody bots on r/SubSimGPT2Interactive, including some that generate weird surreal imagery from post titles using VQGAN+CLIP

Have nagging concerns about the industry that produced these toys, start following Timnit Gebru

Begin to sense that something is going wrong when DALLE-2 comes out, clearly targeted at eliminating creative jobs in the bland corporate illustration market. Later, become more disturbed by Stable Diffusion making this, and many much worse things, possible, at massive scale

Try to do something about it by developing one of the first "AI Art" detection tools, intended for use by moderators of subreddits where such content is unwelcome. Get all of my accounts banned from Reddit immediately thereafter

Am dismayed by the viral release of ChatGPT, essentially the same thing as DALLE-2 but text

Grudgingly attempt to see what the fuss is about and install Github Copilot in VSCode. Waste hours of my time debugging code suggestions that turn out to be wrong in subtle, hard-to-spot ways. Switch to using Bing Copilot for "how-to" questions because at least it cites sources and lets me click through to the StackExchange post where the human provided the explanation I need. Admit the thing can be moderately useful and not just a fun dadaist shitposting machine. Have major FOMO about never capitalizing on my early adopter status in any money-making way

Get pissed off by Microsoft's plans to shove Copilot into every nook and cranny of Windows and Office; casually turn on the Opympics and get bombarded by ads for Gemini and whatever the fuck it is Meta is selling

Start looking for an alternative to Edge despite it being the best-performing web browser by many metrics, as well as despite my history with "AI" and OK-ish experience with Copilot. Horrified to find that Mozilla and Brave are doing the exact same thing

Install Vivaldi, then realize that the Internet it provides access to is dead and enshittified anyway

Daydream about never touching a computer again despite my livelihood depending on it

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

No shit, because we all see that AI is just technospeak for “harvest all your info”.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Not to mention it's usually dog shit out put

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I refuse to use Facebook anymore, but my wife and others do. Apparently the search box is now a Meta AI box, and it pisses them every time. They want the original search back.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

That's another thing companies don't seem to understand. A lot of them aren't creating new products and services that use ai, but are removing the existing ones, that people use daily and enjoy, and forcing some ai alternative. Of course people are going to be pissed off!

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

They've overhyped the hell out of it and slapped those letters on everything including a lot of half baked ideas. Of course people are tired of it and beginning to associate ai with bad marketing.

This whole situation really does feel dotcommish. I suspect we will soon see an ai crash, then a decade or so later it will be ubiquitous but far less hyped.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Thing is, it already was ubiquitous before the AI "boom". That's why everything got an AI label added so quickly, because everything was already using machine learning! LLMs are new, but they're just one form of AI and tbh they don't do 90% of the stuff they're marketed as and most things would be better off without them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

This is because AI is usually used to reduce the human cost to the company, and rarely to reduce the human labour for the customer.

That, or mass surveillance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Sex one way, half ad oxen the other.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

LLM based AI was a fun toy when it first broke. Everyone was curious and wanted to play with it, which made it seem super popular. Now that the novelty has worn off, most people are bored and unimpressed with it. The problem is that the tech bros invested so much money in it and they are unwilling to take the loss. They are trying to force it so that they can say they didn't waste their money.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Honestly they're still impressive and useful it's just the hype train overload and trying to implement them in areas they either don't fit or don't work well enough yet.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

If I could have the equivalent of a smart speaker that ran the AI model locally and could interface with other files on the system. I would be interested in buying that.

But I don't need AI in everything in the same way that I don't need Bluetooth in everything. Sometimes a kettle is just a kettle. It is bad enough we're putting screens on fridges.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I like the vast majority of my technology dumb, the last barely smart kettle I bought - it had a little screen that showed you temperature and allowed you to keep the water at a particular temperature for 3h - broke within a month. Now I once again have a dumb kettle, it only has the on/off button and has been working perfectly since I got it

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

For the love of god, defund MBAs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Give them a box of crayons to eat so the adults can get some work done

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In your own words, tell me why you're calling today.

My medication is in the wrong dosage.

You need to refill your medication is that right?

No, my medication is in the wrong dosage, it's supposed to be tens and it came as 20s.

You need to change the pharmacy where you're picking up your medication?

I need to speak to a human please.

I understand that you want to speak to an agent, is that right?

Yes.

Chorus, 5x. (Please give me your group number, or dial it in at the keypad. For this letter press that number for that letter press this number. No I'm driving, just connect me with an agent so I can verify over the phone)

I'm sorry, I can't verify your identity please collect all your paperwork and try calling again. Click

Why ever would we be mad?

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