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"learned some things like Linux, command line, docker, and networking/pfsense" "I don't consider myself technical"
Don't sell yourself short, I work in IT and have colleagues on our helpdesk who would struggle endlessly with those concepts.
I hereby dub you a tech person, like it or not, those skills can and do pay the bills.
Now that you've dubbed OP a tech person.....
Hey OP, can you help me fix my printer? It's only printing "RED RUM RED RUM" for some reason.
Have you tried giving it red rum?
Oh, and make sure you hold it out with the insides of your arms exposed, it'll feel less threatening that way.
Have you replaced the blood cartridge?
It is done.
This made me smile. Thank you. The grass is always greener and I sometimes daydream of working in IT instead of healthcare. Maybe someday.
Nah dont.
Healthcare is pretty rough, I'd be willing to bet that the grass actually is greener in this case.
I am actually considering switching to healthcare (been a professional programmer)
I've had a burnout: I wish it was due caring for people in need instead of a stupid deadline.
Besides, you can always do IT as a hobby/for free. Harder with healthcare, except maybe volunteering
hahahaha best advice ever.
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Thank you for this. I consider myself technical and those words felt like a punch in the gut.
I'm sorry if I offended. I can't code or understand existing code and have always felt that technical people code. I guess I should expand my definition. Again, sorry that my words felt like a punch in the gut... wasn't my intention at all.
It depends heavily on what you do and what you're comparing yourself against. I've been making a living with IT for nearly 20 years and I still don't consider myself to be an expert on anything, but it's a really wide field and what I've learned that the things I consider 'easy' or 'simple' (mostly with linux servers) are surprisingly difficult for people who'd (for example) wipe the floor with me if we competed on planning and setting up an server infrastructure or build enterprise networks.
And of course I've also met the other end of spectrum. People who claim to be 'experts' or 'senior techs' at something are so incompetent on their tasks or their field of knowledge is so ridiculously narrow that I wouldn't trust them with anything above first tier helpdesk if even that. And the sad part is that those 'experts' often make way more money than me because they happened to score a job on some big IT company and their hours are billed accordingly.
And then there's the whole other can of worms on a forums like this where 'technical people' range from someone who can install a operating system by following instructions to the guys who write assembly code to some obscure old hardware just for the fun of it.
This gave me confidence as well, thank you 😆
I was just talking to a member of my devops team and I was talking about this exact thing and they said "I didn't know you could attach a GPU to a container". So, yup, just stay on top of this stuff at home and you'll do fine
With how low the average person is with tech skills, it's very easy to be top 10%.
people need to take a step back and realize we have the capability to trap quasi-omnipotent quasi-demons in our personal computers
yeah they lie a lot and rarely do what you want them to, but that's just what demons do
And it's all powered by some dark crystals created with light magic that slowly poison the planet
that's some arcane bullshit
How long can something like that really last, though? I wish we had a better idea of the timeline, before the quasi-demons start freelancing lol
Uncensored models are so much better, too. chatGPT is like one of those plastic children's toy hammers vs real models are titanium hammers
Together.ai has a number of uncensored models too. I’ve found that those are so cheap that it’s not worth trying to self just models unless you really need more privacy.
Yeah, I like it too. My only issue is ollama's lack of intel support. I have been looking at issue 1590 on their GitHub. For now I have a 1050ti in a cardboard box PC with other hardware being 10+ years old and a mixed set of RAM totalling 12G. It also has a 100Mbit nic, so I can't take advantage of full internet speed when downloading models. The worst part is they can support intel, but haven't merged the solution because of an issue with the windows intel drivers. Linux is fine but I can 't have it. I wasn't planning to rant, but I already typed it so... enjoy?
Yeah, I have an NVDIA GPU and it is magic. The best part is when you are using Ollama, open a second terminal window and enter the command, watch -n 0.5 nvidia-smi and you can see your GPU usage go up and down in real-time as you ask the GPT questions. Pretty cool.
Hopefully they get the ARC folks up and running soon.
There is ipex-llm from Intel which you can use with your intel IGPU/GPU/CPU for llms which also supports ollama.
It's a much smaller scale but I use a Coral TPU with CodeProject AI to detect when people or animals are in front of my house. Works well with Blue Iris (NVR software for security cameras). I like it. That's all the self-hosted AI I've got for now.
Have you found much practical use for small models yet? I love the idea that even the 1.1B tinyllama model can run on my phone, but haven't found much real world use for it yet. Llama3 8b feels better, but not much better for even emails as it's a bit dumb
I use my phone all the time, but I just use a wireguard VPN to tunnel into my home container of Open WebUI. Then I can interact with my desktop machine using a NVIDIA gpu. I'm currently testing mistral-nemo. It's pretty great but it gets a bit verbose sometimes.
I am also using open webui. Most LLMs are too verbose for me, so I created a model in open-webui with system prompt "Do not repeat the questions. Avoid giving lists as answers. Do not summarize the answer at the end. If asked a follow-up question, respond with only new information, do not repeat previously stated information." and named it No Nonsense.
That's really smart. I just found out about fabric yesterday and it is helping me with things like what you stated. Prompt engineering is a huge thing.
for some reason chatgpt responds well to “no yapping”
Imo it's worthwhile to just run the biggest model available and rent expensive GPU time. It still amounts to very little overall and you get much better results. Project dependent of course
What kinds of specs do you need to run it well? I've got a laptop with a 3070.
Isn't this using a lot of computing power?
Not really, it uses some GPU power when it's actively generating a response, but otherwise it just sits idle.
I've been testing Ollama in Docker/WSL with the idea that if I like it I'll eventually move my GPU into my home server and get an upgrade for my gaming pc. When you run a model it has to load the whole thing into VRAM. I use the 8gb models so it takes 20-40 seconds to load the model and then each response is really fast after that and the GPU hit is pretty small. After I think five minutes by default it will unload the model to free up VRAM.
Basically this means that you either need to wait a bit for the model to warm up or you need to extend that timeout so that it stays warm longer. That means that I cannot really use my GPU for anything else while the LLM is loaded.
I haven't tracked power usage, but besides the VRAM requirements it doesn't seem too intensive on resources, but maybe I just haven't done anything complex enough yet.
you hear that said about AI because companies are desperately throwing more and more resources at it to get 0.3% better results, and people are collectively running an insane amount of prompts all the time.
but on a personal level it's not really any different from any other computations, people render videos all the time and no one complains about the resource usage from that, because companies aren't trying to sell bloated video rendering services to gardening businesses.
Is there a way to host an LLM in a docker container on my home server but still leverage the GPU on my main PC?
You would need to run the LLM on the system that has the GPU (your main PC). The front-end (typically a WebUI) could run in a docker container and make API calls to your LLM system. Unfortunately that requires the model to always be loaded in the VRAM on your main PC, severely reducing what you can do with that computer, GPU-wise.
I am going to be buying a monster high end machine and I want to do all the AI stuff on it.
With all respect, the first paragraph seems self contradictory.
Very technical vs not can be very subjective.
It can be a 50 year old sysadmin vs Adam I pulled from the street or a graybeard linux admin vs a beginner sysadmin only in it for thr career instead of the passion (those can be very non-technical but good problem solver folks)
I know my comparison is flawed
Very cool! You can use something like Tailscale to access your local services remotely without exposing them to the internet.
I switched from OpenWebUI to Alpaca as I had no use for multi accounts.
Open WebUI now has a docker environment variable so you can, by default, turn off the login page. You just declare it when you’re spinning up the container and you’re good to go.
I like libadwaita which Alpaca has