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Is there anything I can do with endless recaptcha's? (lemmy.world)

submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I have noticed lately that several sites I've tried to login to, some I already have an account, some I am trying to make a new account give me what seems like endless captchas.

The two notables ones from my memory, Etsy, where I've had an account for years and have 2fa enabled ffs. The other Unity, where I'm trying to make an account to join a friends Organization.

After several minutes the captches just seem to keep going and I get more and more frustrated to the point I just give up and don't login (which is not really an option with my Etsy store).

My setup isn't anything crazy, Firefox, Fedora 40, no vpn's or anything. Always from either my laptop or gaming system.

Does anyone else have this issue? What are the options?

EDIT/UPDATE: I disabled ublock origin long enough and only got one captcha. Seems google is trying to punish people using that. EDIT2: Spoke too soon, got my email verification, clicked through and back to endless captcha's.... ffs

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Your edit is spot on. Google is trying to annoy people out of using VPNs and other tracking blockers. In most cases, I allow one CAPTCHA, and if that fails, I go somewhere else. If it's Google search, where I go next is Bing, just to punish Google.

When I must use Google, I do so in a dedicated container on Firefox. That way, Google knows who I am, but the only thing they ever get is what traffic I'm sending to them.

One thing I have yet to do is randomize my VPN exit node for Google; I've noticed that they correlate exit nodes to device trackers, and if I visit somewhere outside of my Google container, they can tell it's me by correlation. I may start using Firefox's VPN for Google connections, or just fire up Tor for Google connections.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

While I don't dispute any of that, it seems to me that Google's CAPTCHA services can also cycle endlessly no matter what.

For example, I'll have uMatrix give full permission to the service early in the day, and the queries will never end. Come back a few hours later and it will work first-time, no problem. Other days it might loop in images more than usual but will eventually work.

As if they have no issues with my particular setup, but sometimes lose track of my progress through the CAPTCHA.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I've experienced that, too. That's what prompted me to simply give up and try something else after the first CAPTCHA.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I am using edge for MS and chromium for Google. For the rest of the internet - Librewolf

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

This sounds like what TOR users run into. Are you always clearing your browsing data/cookies in Firefox? A fairly blank slate there will raise some red flags in a lot of systems causing the captchas to be aggressive.

Otherwise, maybe you just ended up with a bad IP address that was previously being used for suspicious bot looking traffic?

I would definitely submit a ticket to Etsy about this issue, but this is likely an issue with captcha or whatever they're using to detect "suspicious activity".

Edit: I just tried logging in to Etsy and it gave me about 4 captchas for signing in with a "new device".

Looks like google really needs help training their self driving cars.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Never tbh, only when I run into a crazy issue on a site. My go to us first diable ublock origin second is clear stuff. I haven't had to do that in quite some time.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

well, no offense, but what else do you expect, if you don't select the tile that includes 1px of the motorbike that's part ofthe surrounding tiles? get over it, man!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I swear it's actually the opposite where they are like "it's only one pixel, it doesn't count." And does the guy on the bike count? It seems like no matter what I do - unless I get through on the first try - it's wrong, and I'm clicking for what seems like an hour.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Yeah, I've found since I started doing them slower and less carefully they seem to be more acceptable. Like, start a captcha, switch to another tab and do something, then go back and finish it. No ai's doing that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Have you considered the possibility that you're a computer?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Im way too sexy to be a robot.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I click less because it's less time consuming on those almost endless captchas. So person on bike, no. Bike itself, yes. Small pixel in another square, no. Often I get through by just clicking >50% of the tiles that seam required, like just the middle 1-2 parts of the bike and click proceed. Screw those where you habe to select all tiles because of a bus close-up.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Right? Like the bike seat is clearly in that other square, dammit!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wiggle your mouse a bit before you select something, they check mouse movements and if it’s too precise you fail

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I do that....

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Change you browsers user-agent(set to chrome on windows), clear cookies & disconnect router for 1 min. Then try again. Let me know if it works 😀

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I guess I can change the user agent. I kind of want to use firefox agent to force sites to keep it around. But yeah for this purpose you're probably right.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yup, some websites outright deny non chromium browser

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not worth visiting then

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I hate visiting them but they necessary for work, so I am kind of forced to visit them 😞

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think this is simply because ai has now reached a dumb humans level of solving captchas and now a statistical analysis of success rate is the only way to tell the difference. Those of us who try and avoid trackers are going to be completely fucked when humans are worse at I'm not a robot that a robot. What the fuck are we going to do?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Could we then make a browser extension that overlays a green color to the correct panels to click? Would be faster!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

There's a plugin that does them automatically lol

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

For me, it seems commonly related to anti-fingerprinting extensions, or settings in Librewolf

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Are you using a VPN? If yes, try disabling it.

EDIT (2024-05-22T19:33Z): For clarity, I'm not against the use of VPNs. I am simply offering ideas for troubleshooting steps. It is very common that sites and services will flag VPN providers as potential botnets and, thus, barrage a VPN user with captchas. This outcome isn't unique to VPNs — there are potential browsing fingerprints that can result in being flagged as a potential bot — but it is at least one potential and common culprit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

This is almost certainly the cause.

Most captchas treat connections from a known VPN exit node as a red flag because most of the spammers use them to hide their location and it's a pretty small minority of the total traffic so not many people will complain about it. It's also way easier to do that than try and find some heuristic way to identify malicious behavior.

If they also get some extra data from you that they can sell once you disable it, then all the better for the company too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Or...dont