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The U.S. vetoed a UN Security Council resolution Friday calling for a ceasefire to the fighting in Gaza.

The U.S. and Israel have opposed calls for a ceasefire, saying it would strengthen Hamas.

The vote was delayed for several hours over worries the U.S. would veto it. Diplomats from several Arab nations met with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken to try to convince the U.S. to abstain from voting.

As a permanent member of the council, the U.S. has veto power, and had signaled it planned to block the resolution. The U.K. abstained from the vote, while the 13 other members of the council voted for it.

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[–] [email protected] 122 points 11 months ago (3 children)

15 countries voting, they lost 13-1 (UK abstained), literally only the US voted against the resolution and yet they can veto it.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It is clearly US and UK vs Gaza children.

"Oh hamas did this and that so lets kill them all, stop water food and aid and move 2 million around" is not justified ...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This was always the plan.

People are wising up but I doubt anything can stop it now.

Cat is out of the bag.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Username checks out.

No but seriously, you're right.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

It is clearly US and UK

The UK abstained, that is explicitly not supporting the US. It's not objecting either, but it's not supporting.

What I find interesting is that the PM Rishi Sunak talks in full support of Israel in national politics, yet on the international stage the stance is now slightly more neutral.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It is a scam happened before, countries abstain because they know the US would veto. If UK didn't abstain I think the resolution would pass. That's why they did it, help to not let the resolution pass and it doesn't look bad as veto.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Not to a scam but clever politics... Let US to take the hit, since supporting Israel is becoming hard as people are wising up to their goals and policies vis a vis Palestinians. The people more educated people get on the topic, the harder it is support Israel at all.

Politicians know that domestic support esp among younger people is down.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Its a desperate attempt not to piss off even more voters. While still supporting party funders ideals.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Does a "no" vote by the US automatically veto it? Or did they have to take an additional action? If the vote alone didn't veto it, that's the perfect place to hedge your bets. Vote no, then don't veto it. You can claim both sides then to appease everyone.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Well that's dumb. But rules are rules.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

aww shucks we have to allow genocide its the rules

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

It was more meant that they couldn't vote no then not veto. That being the case they should have at least abstained like the UK.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's to prevent nuclear war. If everyone voted to invade or harshly punish a powerful country they could respond.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 11 months ago

That is the explanation I was given, but these days I think that’s more of a rationalization than an explanation. Closer to the truth, I think, is that those are the countries that came out of WWII the victors, and so they wrote the rules.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

oh so the only ones who ever used nukes now get to say what everyone should do with theirs?