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The american voters have really outdone themselves this time

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[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

a slim majority

Not even that. The majority of voters, 50.2%, voted for Harris or third party.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And how many eligible voters didn't bother to vote? They're also equally responsible for this.

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago

They didn't technically vote for Trump. Which I don't say to absolve them of blame, but this particular thread of comments was pedantry over how many people voted for Trump.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"Or third party"

I see the problem...

[–] yggstyle@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

A two party system that uses first past the post?

Needs to change.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes. But until it does you play the game as it currently works.

[–] yggstyle@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I wouldn't exactly define this current situation as working, would you?

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What does "pretending we have a different system" get you?

[–] yggstyle@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Absolutely nothing... hence the It needs to change bit.

Realistically it's the same question I could pose you saying just play the game... What exactly does picking the "lesser of two evils" net us? A race to the bottom. It's not ideal nor does it work. The most recent election is a perfect example of this.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

MAGA played the game better than liberals. They got Trump. He's effectively a third party candidate. Republicans hated him. But liberals whine about "lesser of two evils" while maga voted.

[–] yggstyle@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Republicans hated Trump during (and only during) his initial run for the presidency. He was a grifter saying whatever he could to get a vote and his platform seemed threatening to them initially. Once they realized how easy he was to control they had no issue with him. He's a useful idiot who thinks he's winning a game of checkers when everyone else is playing chess.

Speaking of games - as far as I can tell MAGA isn't playing any game at all: they are simply a hate group with a figurehead.

...but I'll bite - what game do you think they are playing?

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The only pathways are direct voter ballot initiativesmin the states that have them (only 26 states do) and progressive candidates and voters flooding the Democratic primaries to take over the party.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

voters flooding the Democratic primaries to take over the party.

And this is how you have to do it in a two-party FPtP system.

That's exactly how the Tea Party turned the GOP into the mess it is now.

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yup. That at the Koch brothers pouring millions mostly into state and federal legislative races rather than focusing on the president.