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The american voters have really outdone themselves this time

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I'd just like to caveat that a slim majority of American voters outdid themselves to undo decades of past hard-won progress.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

A third of eligible voters didn't vote. The remaining people who did vote were almost evenly split. So, in rough numbers, 1/3rd of American voters put us all in this mess.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 days ago (1 children)

No, 2/3rds.

The third-ish that voted for Trump, and the third-ish that didn't vote for Harris.

In other words, the majority of Americans either wanted this government, or didn't care if this was the government.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

a slim majority

Not even that. The majority of voters, 50.2%, voted for Harris or third party.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And how many eligible voters didn't bother to vote? They're also equally responsible for this.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 days ago

They didn't technically vote for Trump. Which I don't say to absolve them of blame, but this particular thread of comments was pedantry over how many people voted for Trump.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"Or third party"

I see the problem...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (3 children)

A two party system that uses first past the post?

Needs to change.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yes. But until it does you play the game as it currently works.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't exactly define this current situation as working, would you?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What does "pretending we have a different system" get you?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Absolutely nothing... hence the It needs to change bit.

Realistically it's the same question I could pose you saying just play the game... What exactly does picking the "lesser of two evils" net us? A race to the bottom. It's not ideal nor does it work. The most recent election is a perfect example of this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

MAGA played the game better than liberals. They got Trump. He's effectively a third party candidate. Republicans hated him. But liberals whine about "lesser of two evils" while maga voted.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Republicans hated Trump during (and only during) his initial run for the presidency. He was a grifter saying whatever he could to get a vote and his platform seemed threatening to them initially. Once they realized how easy he was to control they had no issue with him. He's a useful idiot who thinks he's winning a game of checkers when everyone else is playing chess.

Speaking of games - as far as I can tell MAGA isn't playing any game at all: they are simply a hate group with a figurehead.

...but I'll bite - what game do you think they are playing?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The only pathways are direct voter ballot initiativesmin the states that have them (only 26 states do) and progressive candidates and voters flooding the Democratic primaries to take over the party.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

voters flooding the Democratic primaries to take over the party.

And this is how you have to do it in a two-party FPtP system.

That's exactly how the Tea Party turned the GOP into the mess it is now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Yup. That at the Koch brothers pouring millions mostly into state and federal legislative races rather than focusing on the president.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago