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[–] [email protected] 304 points 1 day ago (14 children)

The fact that people are ok with this blows my fucking mind. Corps literally normalised being buttfucked.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I'm pretty sure most people who are doing this are trying, in their own way, to make a point.

It wasn't about "national security". It was about a large digital meeting place where ideas could be shared, or feelings and frustrations at their government could be seen and felt by others who felt the same. Big Brother doesn't like that, unless it is on US Corporate Approved Social Media, where they can promptly shut you down, or get their algorithm to put post with specific keywords out of the eyes of as many as possible.

So, instead of creating actual data privacy laws, as they should have, they decided to attack TikTok, because Mark Zuckerburg got in front of congress during whatever case it was that brought his lizard ass in the room (maybe the Cambridge Analytica scandal?) and said that TikTok was more dangerous than his own platform.

There you go. It was never about "national security", as there were much better ways to handle that than banning one single app.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Doing the the thing in direct opposition to what an authority is demanding is like a trauma response or something.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

it's also a good idea when the authority is being a piece of shit and grew too comfortable in their position.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

moving your data from your domestic authoritarian to a foreign authoritarian isn't the gotcha you think it is

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

It is if you want to stick it to the domestic authoritarian

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

The data is stored on US soil, so whatever they are able to gather, the US government is allowing it. Which means… all social media. So, ban all social media then if it’s such a risk, right? Or.. I don’t know.. maybe make an actual data privacy law so no one can steal and hoover up your precious data?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Look m8 IDC how authoritarian they are, if China wants to see how much brain rot I can get through in an 8 hour period that's fine, it's not like they're an authority over me

In the US, especially for some marginalized groups (trans folks mostly right now) there's an active push by the govt to make people hate us, I don't want THAT authority to have any of my fucking data, especially when analysis of my scrolling habits could tell them when I'm most likely home or whatnot.

Given the choice between an authoritarian and an authoritarian, I'll take the authoritarian who can't exert power over me thanks

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Except they're not just both authoritarian; they're both capitalist. So TikTok (or whatever) will just sell your data to brokers and it'll eventually end up in the hands of Americans who would visit your home.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Are you somehow not aware that Google/Facebook/Twitter literally do the same thing? Wouldn’t it make more sense to create a data privacy law so that everyone benefits? I don’t understand why that’s so hard to grasp for some of these folks.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

It would make more sense to use alternatives to those social networks. Yes, it is still bad when Americans do it.

You and I have practically zero control over privacy laws. We're living in an oligarchy, not a democracy.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 20 hours ago (12 children)

China was caught logging every keystroke through this. It's why some revamped it's permissions a while ago.

In China it shows people how to be good, science, technology., education, nature.

Here it show kids to eat tide pods.

It's a propaganda method for China.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, surely no other apps log keystrokes. Certainly not Gboard!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It's irrelevant whether other apps do it -- it's still wrong.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

See, to me, it’s not irrelevant. Either make a blanket data privacy law, or shut the fuck up.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

Right? If logging keystrokes is "wrong", then ban that! I've never downloaded TikTok in my life but this entire thing is so transparently manufactured.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 hours ago

Of course not, Google does no evil. Everyone knows that.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah. Lemmy users should spend a bit of time deconstructing why tik tok makes them so angry. There's a bit to unpack there. Not that it isn't trash.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I don't understand why the people here who like TikTok aren't on a Reddit instead. They don't mind closed-source software on a corporate server manipulating us. There's people who want just TikTok gone, and people who want all centralized social media gone.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I’m.. pretty sure people can like both open source and closed source things.. “manipulating” yes. I’ve been so manipulated. I’ve been so manipulated that I think there should be actual data privacy laws. They got me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Cool, I'd like a pony too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

It reminds them of the popular kids in school who pushed them into lockers. That's basically it.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 day ago

I am still angry at Facebook for normalizing using your real name. That eroded a lot of basic security practices.

Now little 7yos share mommy's credit card in YouTube comments.

[–] [email protected] 145 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

People are disgusted by the idea that one random person could track their every move and read everything they write.
Unless that person is employed at a large corporation.

I used to date a Google employee. They had a Signal chat where they shared screenshots of funny or interesting shit they saw on the user accounts.
And many abused their access to spy on ex-partners and the like.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Its actually worse than that.

I've recently met an increasing number of Gen Alpha / Zoomers that all have all their friends in some kind of family location tracking app, so they all know each other's locations at all times, and actually you're a rude asshole if you think that's weird.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

oh fuck

That's horrific. I hope your relationship ended amicably?

[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Not really, she caught me Binging someone else.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago

I forgot which community this was lmao

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 day ago

I used to be disgusted that people didn't seem to care that they were risking their own privacy and national security to boot. But then I remembered that our own government won't do anything to keep our individual privacy in check from corporations. So as long as that's the case, I don't see why anyone should give a fuck. The government did this to themselves.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago

We underestimated how little people trust the government compared to how much they hate china

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And hence EU and UK regulations are so fucking needed. GDPR and legal requirements for companies to follow is a god sent.

Got a cold email? &hit them with that sweet chat gbt copy pasta!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Got a cold email? &hit them with that sweet chat gbt copy pasta!

Wait what? Can you give me more details?

Sorry I'm too American because I bend over and accept corporate penetration.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

So, company cannot buy your data. A company also needs a valid reason to hold your data. Also, company needs to have your consent to have this data, ie, you need to interact with them.

So if someone messages you out of the blue, someone you never dealt with... How did they get your info? How do they have a valid reason to contact you if you never dealt with them before? And why would they have your permission to contact you if you never gave it to them?

Answer is, they're using your info illegally. The copy pasta is basically giving them notice to remote all your records and if they don't comply you'll be reporting them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Fun fact - GDPR applies to EU citizens wherever they are, so as an American you can ask to get your data removed based on GDPR and even though it doesn't apply to you, they will often not bother to check and do it.

Or, you know, claim they deleted the data, which is the best you'll get nowadays.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Makes sense as the only difference is jurisdiction, who steals your data, and what flavor the propaganda is. You got 2 bad options:

The fully automated ~~malware~~ "advertisement" system that steals every loose bit of information on device and sends it to the highest bidder and the US government(if they pay) while telling you how you feel and what to buy.

OR

The fully automated ~~malware~~ "for your safety" system that steals every loose bit of information on device and sends it to the Chinese government while telling you how you feel and that you love the government or else. As a bonus it will piss off a boomer in congress.

They clearly don't know or understand any alternatives otherwise they would go there.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Easy choice. The US gov has massive power over me. The Chinese gov has near zero.

If I had to choose I'm definitely going for the Chinese.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Let's be real the only reason tiktok is getting banned is because the US govt isn't getting any tax money from all the data being harvested.

At least with other social media that openly sells your data to foreign countries the govt can collect that sweet sweet tax money to line the pockets of people with too much money as it is.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago

The real reason is that it's competition for the broligarchs. They want it gone, thinking that all that traffic will come to their platforms.

That's why there's no chance that the govt will do what many in this thread are saying would be logical--ban the data collection and manipulation itself, not just one foreign competitor--be consistent, Meta, X, etc. should also be banned.

So regardless of how stupid people are for signing up on the Chinese alternatives, at least it's good that they're refusing to move to Meta, YT, X, etc. They're deliberately not rewarding the broligarchs.

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