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Yeah, I know that angle. And again, veganism and vegeterianism is about necessity.
Regarding population control of animals that wouks otherwise eat up the ecosystem because humans hunted down all other predators before, it's a necessity right now.
However, there is a thing of returning wolves in Europe at the moment. So there is an alternative to hunting and human intervention, resulting in less necessity (granted, human society would need to allow the wolf to make its return and unfortunately, it doesn't really seem to be the case, but I think you're getting where I am going with this).
My point is, as much as necessary, as little as possible (which is something one of my maths teachers taught me, so there's what you can learn from maths for everyday life).
For some areas this would be possible if as you said humans allowed it to happen. However, that's not really an option for the majority of the country, as the area where wolves would be effective has been reduced via climate change.
Unfortunately it's hard to undo 40k years of humans reshaping the ecosystem to work for them. There is no such thing as pristine untouched land, native Americans have been curtailing the environment for millennia.
My point was that the deer population is already way way overpopulated, and we actually need more people to hunt if we want to properly manage what remains of our forest.