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I don't like the term "free healthcare", because most of us would be paying for it in taxes, it would be more accurate to call it "socialized healthcare".
Saying "I want free healthcare" allows the media to twist your words and make you look like some "entitled brat" that "want everything for free".
Keep it simple and call it “healthcare”. No need to qualify it with anything.
The ones who still think Obamacare and ACA are different things definitely need a catchy label and marketing if they're gonna vote for it.
Or just lie to them, their own leaders have learned it doesn't matter what you tell them. Call it the "everyone gets a puppy" Bill or whatever. Then tell them they got a free puppy. They won't know they didn't.
This is exactly what we need to do. Its literally the only way to combat a populace that simply does not want to be educated. Just fuckin lie, then post your actual platform online. People who actually care will read it, everyone else will think that the dems are campaigning on eliminating the sun to cool the earth during the summer, and during the winter well just tow a new sun to orbit.
We have concepts for a puppy.
That was a bit of hyperbole. But we could always say "if you didn't get a free puppy, it's because Trump and his Republicans hate puppies"
Counter-point: calling it universal/single-payer distinguishes it from what we have now. Which I would argue isn't actually healthcare, at least by modern standards in other countries...
Yeah, we don't have healthcare. We have profit-motivated health insurance. We pay in case we get injured or sick, and they only profit if they find a legitimate way to not cover us when we get injured or sick, so they try their damnedest to do that.
It healthcare has a own risk (literal translation, I'm not sure about the English term) in which the first costs are out of pocket until you reach a certain amount (400-800 depending on your insurance package).
So it's not 'free' as you don't pay for all of it, but you can't go into crippling debt over medical payments.
I think you're talking about deductibles. But in the truly socialized healthcare system you wouldn't have deductibles anyway because you don't pay out of pocket for anything.
Under the UK system you do pay for some drugs as an outpatient, but we're only talking like £6 (honestly it makes you wonder why they bother). But you never pay for in-house medicine and you don't pay for procedures at all.
I was just arguing against the 'free' bit of the argument. But I agree with you.
Single payer healthcare is fine.
The single payer is the government
The government doesn't have any money. They decide how to spend our taxes...
The government doesn't get money from taxes. It prints money, the taxes are how it removes money from circulation.
But that sounds like socialism! We can't have that!
That would be like having some kind of socially based security!
Freedom Care! Patriot Care!
Name it whatever. How do we get it?
'Muricare
Love it!
Thats the problem. The media and too much of the usa wouldnt accept "socialized healthcare" becuase that sounds like socialism and enough people arent educated enough to know what that really means
Medicare For All
Universal Healthcare
Single-Payer System
Whatever, someone needs better PR
Medicare for all is so easy too.
Like literally just adding "for all" to the existing system.
And nixing health insurance companies. It's a win win!
Or ya know, simply Public Healthcare. Because it's for public. End of topic.
Universal healthcare
Insurance is already a socialized program- just a private one. Creating public health care simply removes the profit incentive.
It sort of is free though.
With private healthcare your coverage price goes up with medical needs. So the one time you need healthcare is the one time that you have to pay more for it.
With socialized healthcare you just pay the same base rate as everyone else, regardless of if you have complicated medical needs or not. Also in socialized healthcare if you don't have a job you don't pay anything, but you still get medical care.