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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Keep it simple and call it “healthcare”. No need to qualify it with anything.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The ones who still think Obamacare and ACA are different things definitely need a catchy label and marketing if they're gonna vote for it.

Or just lie to them, their own leaders have learned it doesn't matter what you tell them. Call it the "everyone gets a puppy" Bill or whatever. Then tell them they got a free puppy. They won't know they didn't.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

This is exactly what we need to do. Its literally the only way to combat a populace that simply does not want to be educated. Just fuckin lie, then post your actual platform online. People who actually care will read it, everyone else will think that the dems are campaigning on eliminating the sun to cool the earth during the summer, and during the winter well just tow a new sun to orbit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

They won't know they didn't.

We have concepts for a puppy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

That was a bit of hyperbole. But we could always say "if you didn't get a free puppy, it's because Trump and his Republicans hate puppies"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Counter-point: calling it universal/single-payer distinguishes it from what we have now. Which I would argue isn't actually healthcare, at least by modern standards in other countries...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Yeah, we don't have healthcare. We have profit-motivated health insurance. We pay in case we get injured or sick, and they only profit if they find a legitimate way to not cover us when we get injured or sick, so they try their damnedest to do that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It healthcare has a own risk (literal translation, I'm not sure about the English term) in which the first costs are out of pocket until you reach a certain amount (400-800 depending on your insurance package).

So it's not 'free' as you don't pay for all of it, but you can't go into crippling debt over medical payments.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think you're talking about deductibles. But in the truly socialized healthcare system you wouldn't have deductibles anyway because you don't pay out of pocket for anything.

Under the UK system you do pay for some drugs as an outpatient, but we're only talking like £6 (honestly it makes you wonder why they bother). But you never pay for in-house medicine and you don't pay for procedures at all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I was just arguing against the 'free' bit of the argument. But I agree with you.