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I’m not pleased at the prospect of Republicans doing the same thing in four years, after the corruption of Trump’s second term, and then pointing their fingers at this… but, to anyone with half a brain and at least one eye… Hunter wasn’t in politics, wasn’t directly appointed to his staff or a representative in any fashion within the White House, and the gun and tax crimes are small fries compared to anything the Trump family and stooges are or have been up to.
Prospect? Trump handed out pardons like candy to far worse people who happened to aligned with his politics. After 8 years of seeing Trump rat-fuck norms and laws and precedent and unjustly go after his family and get away with everything, while everyone else tries to play by the rules, Biden is probably asking himself why he has to let his son risk prison when he knows everyone in the incoming administration wouldn't even give a second thought to pardoning.
I don't support it, but I get it. This is the kind of shit America voted for, right?
Haven't seen this linked yet so I'll leave it here: https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-joseph-biden-2021-present - (25 pardons, 26 pardons including Hunter) https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-donald-j-trump-2017-2021 - (144 pardons)
(Got distracted counting Trumps pardons, may be off by a few)
Yeah the choice for President was between cop and felon. The majority polled against equal application of the rule of law. Biden is just respecting the voters' wishes.
Roger Stone, Steve Banon, Dinesh D'Souza all sorts of other crony based pardons were already done in Trumps last term.
Your Pearl Clutching the inevitable (as of it will now be Bidens fault) is ridiculous, and out of line.
Ooof, you went from my comment being just slightly irritated that he did it when he could have not done it and better served the Democratic Party by keeping his hands out of and showing that the Dems can do and be better, just a small gripe but that I understand anyway… to blasting me for ‘pearl clutching’? Ok, I guess.
The Democrats can be better sure. But no one cares unfortunately. They re elected someone far worse.
Worse, Republicans were already hypocritically obsessed with Hunter. With them preparing to fascisticaly weaponize the DOJ. He would have been one of the first and worst targeted by them. I don't blame or hold pardoning him against Joe Biden. It won't stop the fascists ultimately. But it will make him less of an easy target.
Democrats spent the last 4 years worrying about optics. And they have nothing to show for it.
And even if "optics" was super important, this is going to have zero optical effect. Some frankly bizarre pearl clutching now, but no elections are coming and only total fucking morons think this is somehow going to ease Trump doing worse things. No one is going to give a single shit in two or four years when Trump is pardoning Jared Kushner for personally helping Mohammed bin Salman torture and murder some dissidents.
I'm fuckin glad he did it.
I want to see more. We put all our hope into this party and they have yet to even throw a punch. Make a mistake so big it forces the political climate to shift, please already.
Nobody cares if the "Dems should and could be better than the GOP"... We literally are demanding our Dem reps fight against this for us, and thus far, they refused. And still do. This is Biden just looking after Biden, which, frankly, is par for the course in US politics.
Lololol no.
Prospect? Where have you been? Did you miss when Trump pardoned Jared Kushner's father?
In fact, this man who "pleaded guilty to 18 counts including tax evasion and witness tampering" has now been nominated to be Ambassador to France by Trump. There is no "prospect of Republicans doing the same thing in four years." They've been doing it for the last 40+ years already. You just haven't been paying attention.
It's about time the Democrats got of their damn high horse and got down in the mud and started fighting like they mean it.
Don Jr did cocaine in public at the recent Space X launch and not a peep out of the mainstream media, much less police.
If a policeman saw a black man outside a night club do what Don Jr did, he would have been arrested on the spot and immediately thrown in jail.
There’s no disagreement from me, before you made this comment or after.
Did you forget Trump pardoning several war criminals and others in his cabinet who directly worked with foreign adverse governments?
No, but America did and America will forget again. The only thing that matters is the freshest thing their opponent did, the one that gets the most media, and my small gripe about this, which should barely be an issue to begin with, is that the Republicans will blow it out of proportions and use it to excuse themselves for corruption and treason.
It’s a gripe. I understand why he did it. I understand the last guy did worse. But, I still reserve the right to complain a little.
They will do this regardless of what their opponent does.
The Reich Wingers never needed an excuse for corruption so far. What makes you think they need one now?
Sure, they’ll be corrupt. I even said that they’d do it anyway, but now this is another thing they can point to this when they do it. Whatever, right?
I still don’t like that he did this, especially after years and months of him saying he wouldn’t. And he didn’t do a good enough job of showing us why it was important that he change his might right now and go against the justice system he said to trust in before. Is there new evidence that he could share that gives us reason to believe it wasn’t impartial, more than what news has been reporting for ages now? Everyone knows it was the ‘(Hunter) Biden witch hunt!’ for years, and yet he stood up and said that he wouldn’t interfere, that he was better than Trump and Klan. That Democrats stand by the rule of law, etc, and etc. Now what do all those words he said mean?
Again, I understand why I might be a little worried. And I understand why someone might want to use what power is rightfully given to them and that cannot be undone to protect their recovering son from living in the prison system while under the regime of your family enemy, sure. But, I reserve the right to be peeved about him doing it. Especially after years of him and the entire party talking about Law and Order.
And everyone getting upset about Trump’s threats to pardon the J6ers. When he does, what’s everyone going to say?
🤷♂️
The fact you'd compare Hunter's case that was wholly nonviolent, to an attempted violent coup makes me wonder if you're just sealioning here....
No. It is not wrong to feel negatively toward a Hunter Biden pardon. And to criticize people for feeling that way, and refusing to listen to them when they give you plenty of reasons why they could feel bad about it, is ridiculous. That’s all I’m saying. I mentioned in other comments that Hunter’s case here, or two trials, amount to nothing compared to other criminals in the Trump family and Klan. But, I’m getting grief for my feelings, which is personal to me and I’ve provided multiple reasons why I could or would feel this way, because other people feel differently than me bout it. Ok! That’s fine. Go feel differently and rave about high horse shit. Idc! I just want the commenters who are browbeating me about personally feeling a little peeved bout the guy changing his stance, and about how I rightfully pointed out, multiple times and in many different ways, that the other ‘team’ will point to this pardon (no matter how unbalanced a comparison) when they pardon the J6ers!
There’s no trolling here! I just didn’t like that he did it. And I’m saying that the guys who play in bad faith, anyway, will point to this when they do it. Not that that matters, sure, and especially since the majority of the commenters are saying as much. But, the Klan will anyway.
Edit: good grief, people just get hung up and dig in… over and over. I just want to not feel happy that he did it and I want for people to be allowed to feel that way. And I want those that are alright with it happening to remember that we shouldn’t like Nepotism hiring or pardons, and we got onto the other team for doing it before! And we’ll do it again, probably in the next few months!
Sigh.
The Reich Wingers already did this exact thing, in Trump's last term.
And those "small fries" were illegally buying a firearm and skirting $1,400,000 in federal taxes.
And I thought we were the guys who wanted stronger gun control and the rich to pay their taxes?? Does that go out the window when it's one of "ours"?
I’m not saying I agree with the decision, but as Biden, would you really want your son somewhere Trump could immediately fuck with him as soon as he wanted? Had Kamala won this would absolutely be a dumbass decision. With Trump incoming… I get it.
Who cares about what happens to Hunter "10% for The Big Guy" Biden? Maybe I'm just some poor peon who doesn't understand how the ultra-wealthy are, but "lying during a gun purchase and not paying $1,400,000 in federal taxes" seem like pretty avoidable crimes to me.
This is such an awful thing for Biden to do. The "both sides" folk are going to have a time with this for the next four years and they'll be absolutely right in this case.
“10% for the big guy”
With that one phrase you’ve gone FULL mask off lmao. You are the epitome of “both sides r the same”.
Yep that's a mask off to reveal the trumptard face moment. Trump supporters are garbage and we will remember who is one for quite some time.
Personally I'm boycotting any business with visible Trump support, and I make it a point to tell their staff that I won't be back and the reason why. Last time I had to do this I told them their Trump shit was fucking disgusting and I would never be back.
I'm of the, apparently wildly fascistic, opinion that vice presidents' sons shouldn't sell off their father's influence to foreign nationals.
But Trump placing his son in law, sons, and daughter into White House positions and using their fathers influence to obtain backroom deals with the Chinese government (ivanka) and securing a $3 billion loan from the Saudi royal family (Jared Kushner) is different right? 🤡
The problem with you and other ghouls like you is that your game doesn’t work when talking to people who have paid attention to events in the last 8 years. Not everyone is as willing to suspend facts as you are.
Absolutely right?
Dems did it once, Republicans live in this shit.
See: "whataboutism"
Based on how those crimes have been enforced, yes. The federal gun charge that says a drug addict cannot own a gun is rarely enforced historically and is being challenged in the courts by Republicans because the DOJ started using it against white supremacists. Yet Hunter Biden wasn't even allowed a plea deal because of the politics around him. As for the taxes, when he was caught, he paid them and the fines associated with them. For literally anyone else caught doing the same, that is the end of it. No jail time or further penalties.
Joe Biden tried to let the courts do their job and trusted that the courts would be fair. They weren't. This was clearly a political prosecution and I would have done the same in (Joe) Biden's shoes.
And yet it's still a felony. I thought we were the ones who support strong gun regulation?
No one is entitled to a plea deal. For the severity of Hunter's crimes, I'm fine with it.
Keyphrase: "When he was caught." He was just fine stealing the $1.4m from Americans otherwise.
That's not how it works and you know this is going to literally be Trump's argument on Day One when he starts pardoning his supporters, right?
"the severity of hunters crimes"
I fucking loled
Who is "we"? I want all of the working class to be armed.
"Under no pretext shall arms and ammunition be surrendered, and any attempt to do so should be frustrated, by force, if necessary" - Karl Marx
"The rifle on the wall of the workingman's cottage is proof liberty exists. Our job is to ensure it remains." - George Orwell
(I may have butchered the quotes a bit, but the meaning is intact)
Compared to the shit Flynn, Manafort, Stone, etc were doing? Yeah, small fry.
"Illegally buying a firearm"... My brother in christ, I literally know 10 people who did the exact same thing, because cannabis is legal in my state, and they lied on the 4473 to pass the background check.