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Is France doing anything? I believe their relations with Israel had been getting worse because of the war.
They've been arresting people for wearing keffiyehs. They also took part in the banning of protests, and they've been pushing to expel students from Sciences Po for protesting (which is pretty unheard of). The recent election was pretty fucked, with the left frequently being attacked for being islam lovers or whatever.
I think it's fair to say that both French/Israeli and US/Israeli relations are suffering from Israel's genocide, but actions speak louder than words. And in terms of actions, France has sadly been quite shit.
Arguably not quite as shit as Germany though.
So according to a quick Google France doesn't sell weapons to Israel and Macron has been calling for a ban on arms sales to Israel.
That was definitely bad, but I don't think an event from the start of the war is relevant anymore. Israel largely still had international sympathy then.
When was that?
Don't get me wrong; I have serious issues with French Islamophobia and know Macron is a far-right prick. But, whatever possessed him to do so, he's staying on the right side of history this time around. While I'd love to see them impose sanctions on Israel, I wouldn't say France is particularly supporting them.
Yeah, Macron is not the worst. Macron called to halt arm deliveries to Israel in the beginning of October this year, which is quite little quite late, but again better than Germany and the US.
Here's a case about a Norwegian student who was appealing being expelled from Sciences Po over pro-Palestinian protests. She was not alone, but I can't find international media coverage. This was in August. The crackdown against pro-Palestina protests at Sciences Po was actively pushed by Gabriel Attal, so I think it's fair to hold the government accountable for campus controversies in this case.
I think Macron is not a far right prick; he's merely a centre right prick. He's not actively on the wrong side of history in this case, but he's very reluctant to be on the right side as well.
When I singled out France along with the two others it's because they're a huge player in Europe, and I find their response disappointing. But you're right maybe I was unfair listing them next to Germany and the US.
In general I think continental Europe except Spain has been a gigantic disappointment.
Does Norway not count as continental Europe?
I guess it does. I feel like Scandinavia only half belongs - as a Norwegian living further south the last half decade or so, it's a long way home. And in Norwegian, we refer to "down on the continent" as being the "proper" European countries, excluding ourselves.
I also didn't feel comfortable bringing up Norway as it would feel like I was just bragging about my country. ;)
Fair enough.