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[A]n INI configuration file in the Windows Canary channel, discovered by German website Deskmodder, includes references to a "Subscription Edition," "Subscription Type," and a "subscription status."

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I’d switch at that point. I’ve only not switched because the pain isn’t worth the reward right now. I’d have to learn a bunch of new apps and hasn’t been worth it.

Start charging a subscription fee. I’ll learn to use whatever tools a priority.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Trust me, it’s already worth it. Literally every other operating system in existence is better than windows. I’d use Temple OS before going back.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

Caveat: if the software you need is supported. Unfortunately that's the major reason I haven't switched

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Does that include the Miley Cirus operating system?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I was thinking, "Wait...what...?" But there it is:

https://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

And a lot of linux programs take inspiration from Microsoft's design because they're the norm. When you think of a word processor you think of Word, same goes for all of Office 365 actually.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I think of Word 2007. All downhill after that...

Edit: Or was it 2011? I can't even remember anymore..

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They implemented the ribbon menu in ~2007 office iirc, somewhen around Vista. 2003 is the old WinXP styled one with all these little menus and buttons, fugly but usable. Is that the one you've meant?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No I think it was 2011. Whatever the stable most streamlined release was before Office 365 rolled out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Aha, okay. So we have different tastes in software. Are we supposed to fight each other now?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yes. Grab your mswords! 🤓

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I’m having to use windows+office for work after a few years of being linux only, and god do I hate modern office’s interface.

The ribbon, on its own, isn’t super offensive to me - its just a chonky toolbar. But why on earth did they have to get rid of the classic menus?! If I don’t know where a feature is, it’s so much easier to skim through text menus than flipping from ribbon to ribbon, hovering over each button for tooltips, and popping out secondary toolbars of icons to find what I want. It’s maddening for someone who only needs to use office intermittently.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If i remember correctly, 2010 introduced the ribbon and 2013 was the last edition before 365 took over

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That's the one!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think of Google Docs now because the inconvenience of not being able to have word on my own system without a price caused me to use the free alternative.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

@solivine Same, and it just works better. Whenever I need a word processor or spreadsheet at home I don't need that much, and I need to be able to access it on all my devices, not just my home computer. So having the free alternative work faster, better, everywhere, then I don't even see Office as relevant anymore.

@billiam0202 @q47tx @wintermute_oregon @WeirdGoesPro @H2207

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

When you think of a word processor you think of Word.

Only if you're a cretin! The only thing one should envision when thinking of a word processor is WordPerfect 1.21a for the Apple IIgs!

Envisioning Calligra Words is also acceptable.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now that's just some bullshit and you know it

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Haven’t used windows by choice in over a decade, and no regrets.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Remove the bloatware with a free program like ShutUp10++, and Windows is a fine OS. Linux may very well be better still, but better enough to go through the effort of switching over, reinstalling everything, relearning everything, finding alternatives to programs, etc.? I doubt it. Not for me at least.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Then save yourself and use a Mac! /s

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I think the general consumer mostly uses the web browser tbh.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Start trying some of the open source apps on Windows. For example, try using LibreOffice for a bit and see how it compares to Microsoft Office. You may be surprised to find that the difference isn’t as big as you thought.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

LibreOffice works at least as well as Word on its own terms, the problem is how Microsoft deliberately breaks interoperability so you can't reliably share the documents you create on Libre with people who are going to open them with Word.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Absolutely. Works great for printing or converting to pdf, though. I just export them to docx anyway and see what happens.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't they both use the open format now? .odt? I haven't needed to use an office suite for a while, but I would have thought that it would force compatibility.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Sorry, first chance I've had to check.

I've just opened a new file in Word and gone to Save As, and .odt is the default choice.

OpenDocument Text (*.odt)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I wish. Try editing a document with tables.

LibreOffice is fine if all you are doing is writing a Dear Princess Celestia letter, but when you actually start doing advanced things, the jankiness of LibreOffice starts to become wasted effort. If I have to spend more time fighting the program than actually doing work, it's worth the money for Office. Especially at $70/year for M365, which is roughly 1-3 hours of work depending on what job and such.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like garbage. That’s why I haven’t invested in the time. I write large documents and do lot of research for publishing. As such learning a new tool is a pain in the ass

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It does the same job but when you're using it constantly the small QOL things really matter.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exactly. It’s taking the time to learn everything to produce a document quickly for publishing.

Even going from pc to Mac word requires an uplift.

I figure when I make the switch, it’ll cost me about 100k in lost productivity. Nothing has driven me to take that loss yet but a subscription might.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Favorite OS be damned when you have a fiscal consequence. Switching to Linux full time will cost me money at the end of it and I can't justify that until it costs me more to NOT switch to Linux.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately the difference is huge. It's not just the cost of learning a new tool, it's that 10% of really important features are not there. For me for example it was the ability to apply a theme to an existing presentation in Impress. Well in the corporate world, it's mandatory.

Using Linux daily since 99, as my only personal OS since 2013, and still struggling with the office alternatives.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Since most companies are moving their tools to web-based versions, the switch will be even easier.

Office already has extensive een versions. They're not entirely there yet, but good enough if you don't need advanced functionality.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

My biggest argument for Linux is: Windows isn't going to get better, but Linux will.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I started using a lot of the same open-source tools that are on Linux as replacements in Windows to ease the transition. As someone else mentioned, most of the top projects strive to match the workflows of traditional Windows options. Some lemmy instances have huge posts of top tier open source alternatives to most things you need and somethings you don't.