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[–] [email protected] 55 points 6 months ago (7 children)

I'd never really heard the term NEET before and had to do some research. I get what is, but not really why it is.

Is it a lifestyle thing or a mental health thing?

[–] [email protected] 125 points 6 months ago (5 children)

NEET is is an economic label that means Not in Employment Education or Training. Its the group often looked down on as leeches in society but the term doesn't consider the reasons or health of the person.

The sister in the post appears much more like the Japanese shutins or hikikomori who isolate themselves from all social contact. Technically being a hikikomori is a choice but mental health and big pressure culture probably dont help.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

In most cases the culture and mental health are the reason a lot of them will choose that lifestyle, still not 100% by their own free will.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Thats what i meant with “technically” a choice

The ironic part in this is that ecologically/footprint speaking the impact might be pretty positive compared to going out.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Yea, here where I live there is a culture of most jobs being seasonal work, so a good amount of people end up being NEET's for about half a yera or less because of the lack of regular jobs and surplus of seasonal work that's most times only 3-6 month's long.

You could say we are forced to be neet's whenever tourist season isn't ongoing.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Thsts also what it was like it in medieval europe lord days. Peasants sow and harvested the lands but most of the year didn't have much to do.

Sounds alot better then the cant skip a paycheck or miss rent hustle culture.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Peasants sow and harvested the lands but most of the year didn't have much to do.

They usually ploughed two times before harvest, and had to harrow at least once. After the harvest you had to process it, so cleaning threshing and winnowing grain or cleaning fruits. You'd need to weed it, maybe even plough it again after sowing to flatten out the ground and cover the seed and bury the weeds. If you're lucky, you can add some manure and if you're unlucky you might to plough agaaaain to retain more water on the field.

Of course those staple crops are in addition to the vegetable and herb garden, and any animals that need care every single day.

And all of this is ignoring the housework, gathering firewood, cooking for today and preserving for winter, cleaning and mending clothes, making yarn and weaving fabric, down to simply fetching water. Just housework is a fulltime job (not 40 hours, but literally all the time) in de middle ages.

And if you fall Ill, break a leg, have a fire or just have a shitty dry summer, the general solution to that is dying slowly and painfully.

Subsistence farming sucks so hard, people worldwide literally chose indentured servitude as a preferable alternative on many occasions.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Both sides are true.

Work itself was much harder and life itself could be called a struggle compared to today’s standards.

But the attitude towards works was very different and much more broken up. Leisure in medieval times is well documented.

“During times of high wages and good harvests, peasants could expect to work no more than 150 days a year.”

https://www.thecollector.com/peasant-life-medieval-england/

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

“During times of high wages and good harvests, peasants could expect to work no more than 150 days a year.”

Ahhh this article again. It misses a hugely important bit of info: this work is ONLY for their lord. To translate it to a modern context:

During a brief period after the Plague, a peasant "only" had to work 150 days to "pay the rent". If they wanted to do stuff like stay warm, wear clothes and eat, that came on top of those 150 days.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I have no idea where this propaganda that is wasn't so hard being a feudal peasant came from but it's just laughable

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's all the same anti enlightenment brain rot you see all over Lemmy. These people have convinced themselves that modernity is so terrible, they'd literally rather be slaves.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

It's just wishful thinking that the solution to our current dysfunctional relationship to labor can be found in the past, ultimately driven by a failure of imagination. Sure a medieval peasant's relationship to labor might have in some ways been better than today, but in most ways it was not. We can look at the past and learn from the positives only by acknowledging the negatives.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I know it's just a typo, but typing surplus like that makes me think of the type of Freudian slip a reptilian disguised as a human would have. 🤣

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

This kind of reaction's are the main reason I will leave typos, or just to get a reaction out of typing police.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

The picture also looks a lot like Futaba from Persona 5, who is a hikikomori.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

TIL NEET means something else. For I thought it was only an enterance test in India to get into medical education. It is super competitive and toppers are usually shut-ins, studying for 14-16 hours a day.

The exams are held in may so for kids to go in hibernation since January is common place.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Its the group often looked down on as leeches

im still trying to figure out why people hate the fact that people leech off of shit.

Like unless we're going turbo functionalist society where we define suicide as a normal aspect of everyday life, it seems rather. Dystopian to be claiming that everybody must be a part of society.

economists are fucking weird dude.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Is it a lifestyle thing or a mental health thing?

Bit of both, with a dash of enablers (usually parents).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

Probably a bit more than a dash.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I heard it but I never had an idea what it meant, so I looked it up. NEET means they aren't in education and don't have a job employment.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago

Most times neet's are people with mental health issues or depression also.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yes. As for why, why not? If you can it's probably the single best was to live life. Most jobs are entirely unfulfilling, unnecessary bullshit jobs that stack even more unfulfilling, unnecessary bullshit on top of it. the important work is, like, maybe a tenth of all actual work done and that's still usually done by people who get treated like shit, sucking out whatever meaning they might be able to find.

Education is good, but left to their own devices most humans will educate themselves to some degree, so it's not like NEET necessarily means a lack of self improvement either. Not that that's the only measure of a good life.

And that's before taking into account mental health issues that our society creates.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Its mental health, no one hides from the world if they don't have a reason to hide.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

i think it's more of a situational thing. I.E. used to shit on people who aren't "part of the work force" although now it's been codified into a bit of slang, since it's technically an acronym now.