Stampela

I know the definition of apathy, and that’s why I disagree with it applying to me. If you informed me that climate change is happening, I wouldn’t go “meh”, or “mainstream media fake news”. It would be along the lines of “thanks, I hate it”. I care, I worry. I do something about it when I can, maybe it’s not much but…

Also, you say 50 years ago. I say go back 100, with an asshole trying to make his country great again and invading a nearby one. With the rise of ultra nationalism, xenophobia, and uniting the people against a common enemy in the form of a minority/group. Or look at how governments criticize China, but it’s for the ideology rather than the actual reasons to criticize that government… nah, those are good ideas to copy and pass as original. Civil rights have improved a lot, no doubt about it. And that’s why they’re trying to take them back. Separation between church and state? “Christian values” are totally not reeking of god emperors. In Europe we’re doing a lot of good for the rights of people to their information! And there’s continued attempts to get mass surveillance going on, because “terrorists and child predators”. That, by the way, what is a terrorist? You could easily argue it’s someone trying to cause damage and panic by destabilizing a government. Freedom/freedom of speech? Absolute, cannot compromise on that! Obviously the others that think/look different from me are dangerous and need to be silenced, that’s not the same.

All that aside, you keep mentioning the popular vote thing. Well, that’s a thing I literally learned about moments ago, the main thing I understood is that it’s a really complex topic about good intentions and unforeseen consequences, and as such, because I know effectively nothing, I’m abstaining to discuss it. Best case scenario I’ll say something dumb, worst case something painfully wrong. Please take my argument about voting in the context of ignorance of this specific topic.

This is part of why I intended to bow out, I’m not great at explaining myself. The thing about voting is about the meaningfulness of the act: if you get a vote to annex a region, and everyone knows what the result will be, then that’s not being given an option to vote, it’s a show that has been set up. Look, your definition of fair is likely the exact same of what I mean. And if somewhere people are allowed to vote, but it’s not a fair one, then that doesn’t count for me. That part was about the functionality of a vote, not the act itself: country A has a change in something after a vote, that’s what I called “many countries”. Country B has the results pre determined regardless? Ehhhh…

Why'd you omit the "apathetic" part about the pessimist?

Because I’m not convinced about that. I think it’s more along the lines of all consuming existential dread, you say “things aren’t as bad as they could be”, I think that realistically things aren’t yet as bad as they will be.

I don’t consider voting just for show as actually voting, so when I say that I mean fair elections. Voting is how you don’t give in to apathy (about this stuff anyway), as the entire concept is there to allow some action, a push for change.

pessimist

Quite the sugar coating, but yeah. That is correct.

This is a far larger discussion than I’m willing to get into, and I know it’s not one that’ll cheer me up too, so I’m going to bow out of it while in agreement with

don't give into the apathy and it won't win as easily.

That’s why in a many countries we still have a right to vote. :)

Well, you replied to the original poster so that’s hardly a mistake :)

The thing is that I agree. I don’t see Star Trek being a realistic future in any way, unfortunately. Now, the Terran empire on the other hand, minus the space faring stuff? Can’t be too far away. Doesn’t change my thoughts about violence though.

No, but Star Trek shows us we can change for the better. I’m not saying I have a solution to offer, but violence shouldn’t be encouraged or pushed higher up in the list of things to try…

Any programmer today would think this is incredibly quaint.

Like using a keyboard :D

you embodied that comic

Yeah, I had a moment of pause before starting, and then decided that fuck it, I like tanks and I’m going to talk about them :D

War Thunder has, IMO, good warplane fun. Or it had anyway, I haven’t played it in years. If you have a VR headset I suggest having a look at Warplanes: WWI Fighters on Steam. Very fun!

There’s reasonable differences here, at a glance War Thunder has everything aside from infantry combat, while World of Tanks has just tanks. Warplanes and Warships are two different Worlds. A little deeper, and WoT has a more arcade gameplay so while it’s still fairly realistic as far as mechanics, there’s things like health bars, medikits that can instantly heal crew members (that might be temporarily unavailable due to high caliber tank shell through the armor, and into them…), plus some balancing of things to at least try keeping the game fun. War Thunder is a more realistic experience, with fun things like being hit across the map, then having the shell shatter into the tank and killing the crew so that game is over for you. Regularly. I do like their warplanes though.

There’s also Armored Warfare, but that’s a forgotten one because it was a World of Tanks clone with modern tanks, it got mismanaged to hell, sold off, and then the new management turned out epic greedy. Mir Tankov is, for lack of better words, the Russian offices of World of Tanks after the invasion, so they saved face by cutting ties with what was technically the headquarters. There’s WarBirds, that’s probably 20 years old by now and it shows. Warplanes: WWI Fighters is a lovely VR game that channels your inner Red Baron thanks to realistically arcade physics.

Yeah. You didn’t ask for any of that :D

Edit: and I just realized it was about the War Thunder forums. Oh well.

That’s War Thunder, and somehow it happened a dozen of times. Like, do you need to win that argument that much? lol

That’s… just weird. There’s performance art, and whatever this has turned into with time.