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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

While they definitely do this for handles I'm pretty confident this is also done for DIDs (Decentralized identifiers) and it doesn't provide a solution if you lose your domain. I think Bluesky (Appview) specifically gets around this by also tying your DID:web to your DID:plc, in case of domain loss. So I think it exists on the protocol but they don't automatically utilize the decentralization for end-user experience(domain loss) but other appviews can. But I could be wrong.

https://atproto.com/specs/did

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I truthfully don't think this bridge will work long-term because it's rather clunky for the end users. I think mastodon needs an integration built into their platform so instances can have the choice to turn on a two way atProto connection that creates accounts under the instance identity and writes and reads post to atProto.

Bluesky doesn't need to adjust anything as they'll pick up anything written to atProto.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Aren't identities already decentralized by using domains you own as your identity? Ex. Incase you're unfamiliar, my Bluesky @ is my domain I own.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Used Mastodon for two days. Not a great platform imo. Been using Bluesky for a few months and having a decent time, but sometimes it's hard getting fed the content I want (not sure if it exists in general there).

Also have been a decently heavy Twitter user since 2013 ish

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Instances aren't necessarily a thing in atProto because an instance usually refers to a single server. But you can see people's posts from selfhosted PDS/relays yes.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

If you can build your own or selfhost each of the following to read and push back to all of the atProto protocol:

  1. App

  2. Backend Relay

  3. Moderation

  4. Algorithm

And you still say that's not decentralized I'm not sure what you're looking for nor what your definition of decentralization is.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

Open protocols and APIs seem pretty meaningless to me if there's a single point of control for the brand.

You'd need to expand on this more for me to understand you. Yes there's a single point of control from a moderation standpoint (labeler), as there is on Lemmy instances. But anyone can host their own ATProto relays and the Bluesky relay will federate with each other automatically.

If everyone migrates to bluesky and then bluesky says "of we're not doing that open thing anymore because of this new embiggened thing we're doing" everyone will still be on bluesky.

Not necessarily because the accounts are atProto accounts and you can migrate to another platform(albeit another doesn't exist yet) without data loss. As far as the Bluesky app goes it really just shows you atProto posts and hosts your data (similar to Lemmy instances) they as an entity just also maintain the OSS backend Relay crawler and more.

I really think a lot of people have this perspective that it's not decentralized just because it truly is a lot more complicated due to there being like 5 different moving pieces of decentralization (PDS, Relay, Appview, tbd labeler, algorithm) and they do a great job at obscuring it for regular users which is a great thing. And nobody has really tinkered around and set-up any sites or integrations with it yet. I'm personally trying to get a two way mastodon integration as it's possible but nobody has done a solid implementation (just somewhat gnarly bridges between protocols)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (16 children)

This isn't necessarily true. Just because their architecture is harder and not a simple server host does not strip away its decentralization.

They have decentralized the following:

  • App access (can build your own or show openProto posts in your platform

  • Algorithms

  • Relay (backend albeit rumored to be expensive)

  • More if you consider the domain name hosting stuff and media storage control. Also moderation is planned to be decentralized.

 

Any thoughts? Seems interesting, looks like they're planning on developing communities as well.

It would be really interesting to see how this pans how and how it would affect the future of the Fediverse in general.

I would be really interested in seeing if an internal bridge to automatically translate their platform to ActivityPub will be built in order to federate with Lemmy Instances.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Best of luck to you in the afterlife brother you'll need it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Would love for you to describe exactly how it's more complicated. From my perspective I click a single button and it's set up. To log in I get a notification on my device, I click a button and I'm logged in.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Plenty more to go.

If you're referring to innocent women and children yes that's accurate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

The idea behind federation is great but in practice it's splintered communities far too much to serve its purpose at a large scale.

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