LadyAutumn

Youre still not getting it. Yelling at voters will get you literally nothing. If your goal is a future where Republicans don't control America then you need people to vote Democrat. Yelling at them isn't going to achieve that. Unless you're going to go full doomer on me and say that you don't care what happens anymore, in which case why are you even participating in this conversation?

Blame entirely rests on the democratic party. That is the reality of the broken American political system. No one else is responsible for their political campaign failing to gain votes. They were given warning after warning after warning, they didn't listen. This is the outcome created by those politics.

Cool. We can't control them, though, unless you've come up with a method of forcing people to vote. The democratic party campaign was supposed to get popular support. People were supposed to want to vote for them. That's the whole point of political campaigning. The democratic campaign was wildly unpopular on every single point other than "isn't Trump". They cozied up to fascist talking points time and again, border military and ethnic cleansing. She barely even campaigned on any progressive points. It was a joke of a campaign.

The democratic party has lost touch with reality. They will welcome fascists in with open arms. Those images won't ever be forgotten.

I had one. They are not made for winter driving lol. But they are absolute tanks. Idk if they actually are heavier than other cars I've driven or just feel that way lol

That's so smart and insightful of you! You're so right the democratic party should do everything exactly the same all over again. It'll totally win them the election this time!

I appreciate the enthusiasm for social upheaval, but I wouldn't call a civil war a good time.

I read that sweet potato line as implying that the commenter themselves had voted for him, my bad.

I do agree that every human being has a duty to not vote for Hitler. I mean, that was supposed to be the point of the post world War 2 Western education system. Didn't work out for a lot of reasons.

But I also believe that many people don't understand what "voting for Hitler" even means or that Trump poses a threat to them. They don't understand politics. They don't understand the way the capitalist economic system functions. They think of it as some ethereal force that gets worse when you control it and gets better when you don't. They think rich people are brilliant geniuses who have divine knowledge of the economy that allowed them to become so rich. They don't get it. The political strategy of progressives has to account for that. The democratic party isn't a party of progressives. It's a party with a minority of progressives in it, but beyond them, it is the party of the status quo. The status quo has gotten worse, that much people do understand. And they chose the guy who said he was going to change it. He said he'll fix it and they believed him.

Did the commenter say they voted for Trump?

The people who voted for Trump over Kamala are not the leftists on lemmy. I've actually only seen one or two people say that they're going to vote for Trump for some leftist reason. The majority of people said they would vote for her anyway, and a minority of people said they were abstaining.

You sound really foolish mischaracterizing your opponents. The democratic party failed. Kamala Harris failed. There was no sabotage. She campaigned a conservative platform of military, border control, unwavering support for Israel and said she was going to maintain the status quo. When asked what she would do differently from Biden her gut response was "nothing". It was a spectacular failure and highlights every single way that the democratic party has entirely lost touch with reality.

Cost of living has tripled in the last 4 years. Now try telling white working class straight people who weren't living paycheck to paycheck 4 years ago that you're going to do everything the same as the guy that came before you. The same guy who broke up the rail workers strikes. No, us trying to explain fascism or project 2025 to them did literally nothing. They don't understand it and don't care. They know that their financial situation got worse and that the democratic candidate said they wouldn't change anything. That's all they understood. They don't know what's fact or what's fiction, and they think Trump is a brilliant businessman. It doesn't matter that he's not if they all think he is.

The DNC failed. Stop trying to defend them for God's sake. How are they ever going to actually pose a challenge to far right populism or fascism if you relentlessly defend them from all criticism?

This election was lost in every measurable way. She did not lose because of leftists who didn't vote on principal. She lost because the working class overwhelmingly chose not to vote for her. Many of them voted for Trump instead. Many first-time voters voted for Trump. She thoroughly lost to him in every possible way.

Life under Trump in 2024 will be orders of magnitude worse than life under him in 2016. It won't take long for Americans to begin to feel strong consequences of the election result.

I think I better explained my response in my other comment.

All very true.

I do think it's worth mentioning that the "lesser evil" politics that she ran on has never worked for anyone, not even once? She aligned herself with several popular conservatives positions (deportation, stronger border policy, continued financial and armaments support to Israel). But conservatives had no reason to vote for her over Trump. This swath of voters who wanted what she offered does not exist. The ones who want those things want other things too, things that Trump offers them.

So her best position was being the lesser of two evils, being better than Trump but still not a progressive candidate. That political angle failed the DNC in 2016, and it failed them again. This is entirely the failure of the DNC to be a progressive party. They chose neoliberal conservatism to the bitter end and threw us all under the bus with it.

The number of leftists and muslisms who didn't vote for Harris on principal is far lower than any amount that would have saved her. She resoundingly lost this election in every possible way. Blaming people who didn't vote for her on principal is ridiculously misunderstanding what happened here. The majority of America is okay with bigotry. The majority is fine with violence against women and minorities. Either that or they have constructed conspiracies that Trump hasn't actually said or done those things. Either way, they are unbothered by the things he has said and done.