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There are no good guys in this war.
This is not a war, it’s a genocide of an open-air prison, where most of the prisoners were born there and have never seen the outside of it their entire lives.
The Palestinians have a right to armed struggle against their occupiers, and their occupiers have no right to self-defense.
This is the take that makes people feel like they can shoot grandma's and burn children. You can run an effective resistance without targeting civilians ask the ANC.
Erdogan is a fascist who's responsible for genocide in Northern Syria. He doesn't give a fuck about Palestinians or the genocide Israel is carrying out against them. He is aligned with Hamas and terrorism because disrupts regional power and gives him opportunities. This is an opportunity for him, and nothing more. His government backed Isis before. This is the same.
It has nothing to do with the very real need to end the genocide of Palestinians or the legitimate desire of Palestinians to resist their oppression. He aligns himself with horrible people because he is himself horrible.
On the contrary. Erdogan is aligned with America and israel. Aside from lip-service this man does not help Hamas nor Palestine.
2022- Israel’s Benny Gantz relaunches defence ties with Turkey
After months of warming ties, Israel and Turkey announced on August 17 the full restoration of relations and the return of ambassadors to both countries.
It would have been more accurate for me to say that he's not really aligned with anyone. He works with Israel and the US when it benefits him, he works with Russia and Hamas when it benefits him. He does whatever will get him more regional power.
I semi agree, but Turkey has chosen a very obvious pro-America position.
Just recently they bought more F16's from America. This would obviously not be allowed if they were actually going to help Palestine
29 Jan 2024 - US approves $23bn sale of F-16 war planes to Turkey
The Biden administration has announced its approved a $US23 billion deal to sell F-16 warplanes to Turkey, after Ankara ratified Sweden’s Nato membership, the state department said.
Turkey will get 40 new F-16s and upgrades to 79 of the jets in its existing fleet, the state department said in a news release.
Erdogan has been close to Putin for a long time. He's one of the most extreme authoritarians in the NATO alliance. The US has armed it's enemies in the past, and I don't think it's short sightedness has changed.
I don't believe that Erdogan will help Palestinians, but he very well may materially support Hamas as long as he doesn't do it openly enough to cause problems. I mean, Netanyahu propped up Hamas for years in order to forward his interests. No one would care if Erdogan helped justify continuing the genocide by making Hamas more dangerous to Israelis, as long as he didn't send any American weapons to them.
But perhaps I'm just extremely cynical.
Erdogan just wants more power, and money in his bank account. He does not care about his population nor any religious values. He is practically the Turkish Trump.
Turkey was one of the first that sent their weapons to Ukraine against Russia, they had a lot of Bayraktar compilations at the start of the Russian invasion.
Exactly. His relationship with the US is just as cynical as it is with Russia, and as it is with any country or people (including his own). He will do or say anything that gets him more power. That means he'll be a solid US ally as long as the US is completely stable and functional, and he will take advantage of any weakness (like he did with Trump letting him murder Kurds in Syria).
I think we're in violent agreement about the overall with perhaps subtle difference in the details.
Yeah I think we only slightly disagree on the amount the Erdogan will stick with America. To me it feels like he will never oppose them until America reaches a clear losing position.
Though America did likely try to replace him with Gulen in 2016 so you might be right that Erdogan is still volatile.
The moment (for the thousandth time) when your country's leader sells your country to western resource firms, licks boots of the 5th US president he has shaken hands with, turns a blind eye to PKK-YPG terror organization support in Sweden and concedes without any firm action for the promises made to stop overt support, buys shitton of literal trash from the European countries, gets kicked out of F-35 programme although being one fo the 6 founding countries because the US wouldn't sell Patriot system at first, then the country still gets called genociding on its effort on the border to provide stability in the face Syrian army and ISIS first, now the PKK-YPG that is overtly supported by the US and the west.
Western hypocrisy at full display once again.
ANC apologizes for deaths in anti-apartheid fight,
But says struggle was justified
May 12, 1997 CAPE TOWN, South Africa (CNN) -- The African National Congress formally apologized Monday for the killing of civilians by its guerrilla forces during the ANC's three-decade struggle against apartheid.
The ANC repeated its position that the armed struggle against the country's white-ruled government, which began in 1960, was a just war and that civilians had not been deliberately targeted.
But the ANC statement said some of its guerrillas weren't sufficiently trained and "were never thoroughly under the discipline of the ANC."
Interesting reading the mod log and seeing what got your comment removed and you banned.
Yeah, that comment was based and tame to get a ban for it.
iirc Turkey has some pretty close arms trade with Israel, but I mean them saying this already places Turkey morally ahead of literally every middle eastern country par Iran and Yemen.
Most middle Eastern countries do not have arms trade with Israel. This places them morally ahead of Turkey.
Morally ahead? maybe if they would have said that they would back the Palestinian people instead of hamas leadership.
Anything is better than outright banning Palestinian protests and killing dissenters (cough cough KSA)
Amazing how you completely contradict yourself in one sentence. Much like Erdogan.