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only a handful of investigators at most have been assigned to work on the Nord Stream case on a full-time basis.

the perception among investigators is that the will to solve the case is not particularly pronounced in the capital. Politically, it is easier to live with what happened if it remains unclear who is behind the attacks.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Ah yeah, all this evidence like:

One of the three or four ships in the world with a moon pool that could supply and enable divers to work at the depth of the pipeline, hanging around the area after a naval maneuver less than five days before the explosion

A US Navy anti-submarine plane (indeed, one of the only planes in the world with the ability to generate a signal that would reach to the depth of the pipeline) flying the length of the pipeline almost exactly 24 hours before the explosion

And the Commander in Chief of the most ~~expensive~~ powerful military in the world, explaining that the Nordstream pipelines would be brought offline by any means necessary (not shown in the photo, he is standing literally right next to Olaf Scholz - the Chancellor of Germany - who did not even attempt to contradict his statement).

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"This is the most important investigation of Germany's postwar history because of its potential political implications," says a senior security official.

And yet, nobody in Germany cares. Neither officials nor the people (nor me). The pipe should never have been built, so let's be thankful to whoever helped us un-building it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Indeed. And even if Ukraine did it IMO it's a reasonable target in a war like this. Wouldn't bother me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This. So what if Ukraine destroyed the pipeline. Russia invaded their country. Its war. All bets are off when it comes to war. The Ukrainians are allowed to attack Russian assets. Whether they did it themselves or they were helped by the US doesn't particularly matter. Short of boots on the ground the USA is doing everything it can to support Ukraine in this war. Russia and Russian propagandists can go fuck themselves.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A lot of speculation, uncertainty and hypotheticals. The west will continue to support Ukraine against Russia.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah this article is missing the mark. Much like the larger conflict the U.S. is going to throw Ukranians under the bus for it's own agenda, like selling oil and gas to the EU at wildly inflated rates.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why sell oil when the US can sell weapons? It helps that Russia can't sell theirs.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Right? And they are the mothballed shit that was gonna rot in a wearhouse instead of doing what they are supposed to do: blow Russians into tiny peices.

Now we get to watch a field test in war conditions, restock our own troops with even better shit, design strategies with the use of drones after watching how well the Ukrainian military are using them, and sit on our ass providing intelligence while the Russians get royally fucked.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

:pit::stalin-gun-1::stalin-gun-2:

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a win/win for everyone except Russian invaders.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, and all the dead ukrainians

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yes, because they would much rather undergo another Holodomor.

Russian mercy is well understood.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Please engage with contemporary, mainstream historians who have studied the now open Soviet archives. I recommend R. W. Davies and Stephen G. Wheatcroft, The Years of Hunger: Soviet Agriculture, 1931-1933. You can just read the introduction (all but the first edition) where they discuss and go into detail on Holodomor as genocide. It’s in English and pretty accessible to lay people. The rest of the book will likely be of no interest to you, as it’s part of a series of very dry academic publications by the authors that goes into the minutiae of Soviet agriculture. If that interests you, go for it.

This book is in libgen.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Saying the holodomor was a genocide is the same as saying the dust bowl was a genocide.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

HoLOLodomor

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who do you think blew up the pipeline?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A case could probably be made for either side. Russia supposedly has done this before in Georgia

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sure, but it seems not even the US/NATO is claiming it was the Russians at this point. Actually, I'm not certain if they ever did so in the first place? I honestly don't remember.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2023/03/07/us-thinks-pro-ukrainian-group-blew-up-nord-stream-pipelines-report-says/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

biden-point "Of course it does! We trained those divers well, they wouldn't generate evidence for our investigators to find that points back to us now would they?"

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