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I'm not Canadian, Thank you Canada, there is hope after all.
There's hope but this was too close. The Conservatives upped their numbers as did the Liberals. It was only the progressive/reasonable vote banding together that saved the day.
So crazy that the Conservative Party still has 144 seats given that they've basically signed on to a policy of foreign occupation.
Feels like I'm watching liberated France send Philippe Pétain back in as the Loyal Opposition with 40% of the vote.
That's not what their base believes. There is a whole other fantasy reality in their channels about how Carney has planned all along to cut a secret deal with Trump after the election. Other justification narratives probably exist as well, because they have to keep people believing that obviously, everyone knows we couldn't possibly do anything other than completely fold into Trump's plans. They spew propagandistic garbage like this and teach people to distrust legit media that understands context and checks facts rather than running with conspiracy theories based on flimsy evidence.
The conservatives still turned out a lot of votes. The left just voted strategically to keep them out. Next election the left will split again and we will get the conservatives again. Given the parties recent history even if it isn't Poilievre I'm sure they will pick another alt right sycophant.
Next election the left will split again and we will get the conservatives again.
Rather than settling for the investment banker, they could all rally around a candidate that's interested in social good.
The Left doesn't have to split.
The left has to get their shit together before that can happen. Right now the left cares more about purity tests over being effective.
People are gonna hate this but here it is...
From my point of view as a disabled Canadian with a young family, who is close to many members of the local first Nations community, the left is as fascist as the right.
They treat minorities and disabled people like chattel. We live in poverty and are actively pursued if we attempt to bring ourselves out of it. At the same time they bail out our own billionaire olygarchs who have much more than they could ever need. They allow them to flaunt the laws of our country and give them a mere "slap on the wrist" for any infractions though they could pay hundreds of millions easily that could be used for better services for all Canadians.
Let's all start calling it what it is and stop being nice about things. They need us to be poor and sick so there is fear in the so called middle class of ending up like us. Of losing everything because you got sick or hurt at work. Maybe your skin is the wrong color, your sex isn't typical or your government has been trying to exterminate you for your entire existence.
They need you to go to work and to vote for them. They need you not to challenge them and hate one another because of your political beliefs, your racism or sexism, or your implied class. They need you to forget about us and argue with us. They need you to keep us down. And you do.
Until someone starts standing up for the little guys over here screaming at you, we will continue to be a fascist dictatorship to a portion of our population and the vast majority of people on both sides of the political spectrum couldn't give a fuck.
Not if we have ranked choice voting with proportional representation.
Ranked choice doesn't make sense in a proportional representation system.
It does if you still want to have a local representative, although everything seems to be party politics these days.
I'd be happy enough with proportional representation, though.
@SpaceCowboy @sik0fewl Proportional RCV does indeed exist https://fairvote.org/our-reforms/proportional-ranked-choice-voting/
What's the difference between that and STV?
Thoroughly hilarious. Go away Chode boy, nobody likes you!
If Canada had Australian-style preferential voting (i.e. you numbered your candidates in order of preference, and if your first choice got eliminated, your vote cascaded to your second, and so on until it was tallied for your least-disliked of the two leading candidates), the Liberals would have a significantly more comfortable margin (assuming that they got most of the Greens’ preferences and at least half of the NDP)
I believe the whole world would be in much better shape if everyone handled elections like Australia. We certainly wouldn't have had Trump ever here. When more people vote the Democrats win every time.
I strongly support mandatory voting. If you're against voting at all for whatever reason, just turn in a blank form. And I'm no big fan of the Democrats, but they wouldn't be kidnapping people to send them to concentration camps.
If we had ranked choice or some other system, dems and repubs would both lose to third parties that actually represent the people
We were supposed to get election reform after the liberals won in 2015 and I'm still quite bitter about it
You will never get it top down. The major parties all prefer and benefit from different systems.
If you truely care about electoral reform your best bet is bottom up. Start getting your preferred form into municipal elections. We almost had that in Ontario until Doug showed up and fucked us.
Actually, I live in the first municipality in Canada to use ranked choice voting-- until the provincial government enacted a bill that disallowed it in 2020.
I've also been around long enough to have voted in the last Ontario referendum on the topic. It did not go well because people didn't understand what was being proposed. Same story for BC's referendum.
I'm merely pointing out the recurring theme over the last couple of decades where the LPC will make electoral reform promises they never fulfill.
Same story here in Colorado, everyone said it was 'too complicated' which translates to 'we're just straight up dumb'
Same regarding the last referendum. When that happened I knew for sure it had to be introduced in a smaller lower stakes way which is why I was pretty happy when London used ranked choice (a bright spot for a city whose politicians suck more often than not). Removing that is one of the things I hate most about Doug.
Oh my God you are so right about London politicians.
Remember those useless board of control parasites clinging to their pointless jobs? Or the Liberal legend Joe Fontana?
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Well I'm sure they'll change the status quo that favors them this time.
Not holding my breath
A very important thing to remember this election: The Conservatives had a 30-point lead and were set to gain over 200 seats in a sweeping majority victory and they blew it. They blew it and their leader lost his own seat. The fact we even have a Liberal minority at all is incredible.
So while the Conservative party still has a lot of seats, enough Canadians disliked PP and his campaign enough to erode a 30 point lead. PP says he is staying on as party leader but his party would be incredibly foolish to keep him. His campaign cost them a historical election victory and the dude can't even get elected in his own riding.
Happy that the Trump presidency could at least contribute one positive outcome.
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