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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago

Wow, all those third-party voters are really grumpy in these comments.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (18 children)

Are we really still doing this?

Honestly it seems like liberals hate their own base more than the reactionaries they are supposedly the opposition to

Actually that tracks, since most of the DNC has been flirting with reactionary commentators and billionaires while actively criticizing the one part of their party actually building momentum

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Pointless statements from liberals who are too busy trying to find someone to blame to do anything useful about the galloping fascism in their midst.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Seriously. Same old useless shit as always.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Luckily the millions of protest nonvoters are taking action to stop this fucked situation.

Right?

Oh, no, wait, people like me are fucked because it was never anything other than posing for purity points with your online friends.

And if we have actual elections in 2028, none of you will learn a goddamn thing.

The blood of millions doesn't matter a single goddamn whit to any of you so long as you can talk about LIBS BAD.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Obviously the solution is for more people to vote third party

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Not without an elimination of FPTP ya don't.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Actually, having a progressive party and a conservative party would be far better than having a conservative party and fascist party.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

Correct, but there are obstacles to getting there, including FPTP.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Lol and you and I voting third party leads to that outcome how exactly?

Of all the terrible things happening, I think it’s people’s hopelessly terrible understanding of politics that makes me the most depressed right now.

Edit: I don’t like how negative this comment is so I want to add some possible solutions. Change requires collective action. Individual votes are insignificant to the point of meaninglessness.

There are three main strategies I can see to create a force for progressive or leftist change.

  1. Change the political system so that third parties become viable. This is tough because the duopoly doesn’t want it, and without a party where is your base of power? So I don’t think it’s particularly viable on its own—but there are orgs that push for this, and they have the advantage of being nonpartisan and can appeal to many people of many political persuasions. So if you want to make this your priority, tap into some of those organizations. But this also means ignoring pressing crises of today in the hope that reforming the electoral system will allow us to address them in the future. But of this there is no guarantee—it’s just as likely a fascist party will gain from your efforts as a leftist one.
  2. Achieve a takeover from the inside of the Democratic Party. This is basically how the republicans went from conservatives to fascists. It might be the easiest of the three—but that doesn’t mean it will be easy. It means people need to set aside their distaste for democrats and the system and put a lot of effort into attending local meetings, voting for delegates, etc. It also has the drawback that the system itself has a tendency to corrupt reformers and bring them in line with its logic.
  3. Create political power outside of a direct political party. Personally I think this might be the best approach if your goals are to radically transform society. There are many directions one could take, organizing with DSA or another org that makes endorsements, union organizing, mutual aid, etc. Basically you want to organize a mass of people who can sway society by acting in unison to either impose costs or benefits on those you wish to influence—or to directly enact or disrupt programs yourselves. The downside is that this is very very difficult and it may take years of going nowhere to organize enough people to really have an influence. But because the other two operate within existing systems of power, it has the greatest potential to bring about large transformations in society. But only if you put in the work and enough people join you.
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That wall of idealism is great if you could get it into the minds and hearts of the majority of voters. I tried myself, back in the late 90s. Seeing Bush win after I stumped for Nader was a sobering wake up call. Can you imagine the guilt I felt protesting Bush’s blood for oil wars knowing that I actively disengaged people from voting for Gore?

FPTP is in control. We are not. We get two choices. Anything else is equivalent to abstention.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

If enough people vote third party than they are voting for a major party again.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Then maybe a 3rd party should get off their fucking asses and start getting some representatives elected locally, so that they can eventually have EVEN ONE representative in Congress, so that maybe some day voting 3rd party for president isn't the dumbest fucking thing imaginable.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I swear to God it's the same 5 accounts on Lemmy posting this horse-shit take.

Like - all the third party voters combined would not have kept Trump out of office. Give it up. It's nonsense and frankly pretty sad.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I sorta disagree.

I think the campaign used to push people third party encouraged others to just not vote.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Even IF that's true it's still terrible. What do you think? You're gonna chastise people into agreeing with you? Is some "holier-than-though" attitude gonna do it?

Really just seems like a circlejerk

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (8 children)

No I'm just saying people who think protest voting or throwing your vote away is ever smart, this is proof it isn't.

This really entirely could've been avoided and this was one of the steps in a stairwell of bullshit that could've stopped it all

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Even IF that’s true it’s still terrible. What do you think? You’re gonna chastise people into agreeing with you?

Reminding everyone that being a Nazi supporter is, in fact, bad, is good practice. That exact mindset of "Never be mean to anyone who supports fascism 🥺" is half the fucking reason that fascism got mainstreamed in this country. People sitting on the fence are more likely to shy away from something that is thoroughly condemned than something that gets a "Well, your support of shipping undesirables to death camps is a Respectable Position, let's agree to disagree 😊"

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

It's the two party system in a post. Don't worry, your democracy is dead either way. Whether engaging in TPS or ignoring it for a fart in a blizzard vote, it's all far too late.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Keep trashing them, that will bring em over.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

They need to understand that their logic is flawed. If they won’t, they will not make the right choice anyhow.

🤷

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I feel sorry for Americans. The best of the 2 viable parties is a party keen on supplying a genocide, and somehow if you vote 3rd party you're more responsible than said genocide suppliers, even worse republicans, and non-voters. That's wild.

The uncomfortable reality is that you aren't gonna solve your country's problems in the voting booths. Good luck to you, genuinely.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

The uncomfortable reality is that you aren’t gonna solve your country’s problems in the voting booths

Until the majority of liberals in our country realize this, it's doubtful our problems will be solved at all

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

I voted for Kodos

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