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I'm refinancing this terrible loan and the bank person grimaced when they saw this.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I took a loan out on a brand new car many years ago, a 6 year term with 17% interest (don't do that, kids). But I was able to refinance to ~4% a year later, we knocked another year off the remaining term (5 years to 4 years), and I still ended up paying less per month than the original payment.

I miss that car sometimes. It was a 2012 Kia Soul, and I really liked it. I went on a 3-week business trip a few years ago, and my rental happened to be a 2021 Kia Soul in mustard yellow. I loved every minute of it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I have a loan right now that is at like 3%. I can pay it off now if I wanted to, but it's so low that I can easily make more money by putting it away and collect interest on it. It would be kinda nice to get a new car, but where this country is headed, it's not worth it. I feel bad for the younger generations and what lies ahead for them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

I've got four paid-off vehicles (2 cars, 2 motorcycles), and am about to acquire another car (W123 diesel Benz) from my wife's grandmother who is no longer able to drive.

I don't care to have any more car payments, and I hope it stays that way for a long time.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 17 hours ago (9 children)

Loans with interest rates above inflation are weapons. They are violence. Why should we all have to pay more than something is worth for our education, our transportation, our housing? Why are we paying directly for these things at all?

Government should be providing all this for its people. Higher education should be provided. Starter housing should be provided. Public transportation should be provided.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

considering that you likely live in the US, just wait 6 months and this loan would be below monthly inflation

[–] [email protected] 9 points 15 hours ago

Lol...that's funny and also so depressing.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

You pay for the ability to access capital you do not currently have. Nobody owes you thousands of dollars with which to but a car. If you want to buy a car with money you don't have, then you have to give the bank something in return. That something almost always is "more money than we initially lent you, over the course of the loan period" and if you shut that down, banks just won't give loans anymore. Suddenly poor and middle class people have lost their biggest tool for accessing capital.

Lack of public transport is a separate problem. The US has dropped the ball across the board there. Only a handful of cities have any reasonable public transport and even those systems are old and often shitty.

Education being so expensive that it needs to be financed, is a separate problem. Education is too important to leave to the free market, letting our system metastacize to this extent is the result of decades of compounding failures.

16.9% interest is predatory, but "interest above inflation" is necessary if you want banks to do anything besides hoard money.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

See, that whole entire thought process just doesn't hold me prisoner anymore like it used to.

If you want the capital to survive (buying a car is survival in most places) or to try and get ahead, you must pay more capital than you have. If the banks don't make money this way, the poor and middle class will fail.

I don't think this is true economical theory anymore. It's corrupted greed that's overtaken institutionally in every facet of life including academia. It's like saying nuclear war is the best peace keeping practice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

No no surely making the rich richer will help, it's done so great the last 50 years!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Well I'm hoping to live in a world where banks don't provide loans anymore. I'm demanding a better world than this nightmare that is unregulated capitalism in the US.

I'm demanding a better world than any economic system that incentivizes and rewards screwing each other over and hurting one another in a race to get ahead.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago

Capital investment is necessary regardless of your chosen economic system. Without banks, you're relying solely on a central government to dole out capital investment which has historically turned out poorly

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago

Providing loans is a major part of a bank's job though? Like yes it's wrong that we need loans for necessities like transportation, education, healthcare etc, but even if all those were unnecessary banks would still need to provide loans so that people can start businesses or build houses.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Always buy from a person not a dealer. Look for a model known to be reliable and cheap to fix and maintain. I bought a 95 Ford Ranger for $1,800 and am still driving it 5 years later. I’ve maybe put another 2k into it from oil changes, tires and brakes. People pay way too much for bells and whistles.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

I did this in my younger years and the cars I got always had some hidden fucked up problem.

The most notable was cemented in spark plugs, rip that Honda Civic I drove it till it couldn't hold on anymore lmao it ended up sitting for a long while then someone stole the catalytic converter lmao

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

I did this in my younger years and the cars I got always had some hidden fucked up problem.

My minivan is (well, was) like this. The person I bought it from said the roof-mounted DVD player was professionally installed. I got it home, pulled the interior apart (I was installing a new headunit, backup camera, and some other things), and found the "professionally installed" wiring crossed in front of the side curtain airbag. It wasn't secured anywhere at all, either. Just flopping around. I fixed that up along with some other issues I found.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Lol yeah there’s always that risk. Feel like you want to find some boomer that’s selling his daughters car that just went to college or something.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

Yeah right on!

[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 day ago (2 children)

hey millenials: car dealers are not a good choice of bank. please tell your generation about credit unions: https://www.logixbanking.com/rates/vehicle-loans

[–] [email protected] 7 points 16 hours ago

Definitely shop around, but sometimes the dealership does have an actual competitive offer. Especially if you threaten to use external financing (and have the pre approval in hand), they might knock down their interest rate to save the deal, as the loan is where the money actually is.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 23 hours ago

And maybe buying something that isnt sold by a dealer....

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 day ago (49 children)

As a non-American it seems wild to me that you would take out a loan for a car.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago

We got rid or public transit because of racism so we are totally dependent on driving to go anywhere

[–] [email protected] 8 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

The so-called "wealth" you see in the American middle-class is mostly just debt. We have the shiniest toys and the biggest houses here, but it's a giant gilded-cage. Most of us die in debt.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

The process of dying involves lots of debt too because of our corrupt funeral and burial industry

[–] [email protected] 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

how are you buying cars? Because I'm in Europe and they're expensive here too.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

You save up and get a second hand car you can afford. Why buy a new one, even a car with 30K miles or 50K KMs is a lot cheaper, while its still new enough to drive for a while without major repairs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

50k km is still "need a loan" territory for most people. The absolute newest car I've owned was 144k km, 3 years old, and still cost near 30k.

Plus when it's like 2% + 6 months euribor for a lease you get to keep at the end, it starts looking hella more attractive.

Now the APR in the OP, that's predatory af.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

I have a three year loan at 1.9%. Why would I cough up an additional $20k now, when I could hang on to my cash and, at the very least, leave it in an account that earns twice that (and then some) in interest?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 18 hours ago

Cars are expensive and necessary in areas without good public transit (read: basically everywhere except a couple of areas in specific cities). Most of us don't have a year's salary just sitting in the bank, especially when you're young.

If you need a car to get to work, you'll pay what you have to because the alternative is no job which means no home, no healthcare, and no food.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

A lot of us wage slaves live in areas that are too spread out to bike, have no public transportation, and we can't afford to move to a higher COL area that has those amenities. For example, my commute to work is typically 70ish miles, one way. There aren't better job prospects within my niche industry that are available to me. I'm working towards moving closer to work, but I'll be moving to a smaller town that is even less bike-able/walk-able. IMO, your position requires an amount of privilege I don't have.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago

My commute is 117 miles one way :(, return to office has really fucked me. I won't be moving anytime soon but am working on getting a job closer to home.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago

Facts. I live in Maine. I dare anyone that says to ban cars to come live here without one. The only form of public transportation here is a very shitty public bus system. If you live outside of its route, you are shit out of luck. Its why you have a lot of old people driving here that honestly should have had their license revoked a decade ago. Can't take their license away cause they will have no way to access the resources they need to survive. But shouldn't let them keep their license cause they are a major danger on the roads.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

Yes, let's ban the single most common form of transportation in the country because you've never had to live in an area with zero public transport.

Great line of thinking, there.

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