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cross-posted from: https://linux.community/post/2362831

I don't know how extended this is, but apparently there are car makers selling cars with no keys. Instead you download a proprietary app and use it to access your car.

I like being practical and talking to a car to turn the volume up or down, to open the door or to turn the temperature higher are things I don't need nor want. Give me mechanical levers, reachable stalks and no proprietary bloatware. I don't need a movie theater on wheels.

Imagine an early 2000s car running on an electric motor. That's what I want.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Sweet fuck I've been over in the Canada boards for too long. You have no idea how much "No Frills EV" just hurt my brain lmao. Worst part is, my brain out the capitals there.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

VW sold the e-Golf in the US between 2015 and 2019, which was available with physical key and no-frills interior - some base models even sported an analog instrument cluster!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Imagine an early 2000s car running on an electric motor. That's what I want.

Step one: Buy 2000s car.
Step two: Converted it to EV.
Step three: Done!

There are business made on this promise with more or less benefits of economies of scale.

You can find videos how people do it on YouTube.

Example: https://www.fellten.com/system/mini

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I know they're not for everyone, but Smart Cars are actually devoid of Smart as in IOT. If you're not huge, get in one and try it out. I have a gas one and it's my favorite car ever, and I last drove a Porsche Boxter. They're fast enough, sip gas (or electricity I'm sure) and are so easy to drive. The turning radius is like 90 degrees and it's so nice having the front of the car stop where your feet are instead of a giant protruding hood. They're very cheap too and they're made by Mercedes so it's easy enough to get them worked on.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (15 children)

yo SAAAAAAAAAAAME
and also actual fucking buttons switches knobs and dials for HVAC and media control
not to mention a normal fucking PRNDL shifter for selecting how I want it to move
why is this so gods damned much to ask for -_-

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Kia and Hyundai EVs tend to have physical controls for most things

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

But how much are they tracking you?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

Dacia Spring is literally 2000 car converted to EV. I love it.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (2 children)

GN has some "regular car" EV options available. The Bolt EUV and the Equniox EV start at $27k and $35k USD. Both come with a panel of physical buttons and come with a traditional physical metal key.

Bolt:

Equinox:

The Bolt EUV is as close as you'll get with new vehicles as far as I know in North America.

You can find a Nissan Leaf, they started production in 2010. But from what I heard the batteries degrade quickly due to how they were designed.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The Leaf is being redesigned to finally modernize it. The new one coming out later this year should be better now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's a suv now, no longer a hatchback

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Everything is an SUV now... :(

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

The last Bolt model year was 2023 - you can't really find new ones at dealer lots anymore. There is supposed to be a new version coming at some point, but no official details or timeframe yet.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Go test drive some cars that aren't Teslas. None of them require phone apps. Pretty sure all the manufacturers are also walking back the touch screen nonsense and I think Kia is the best in the US right now for EVs with physical buttons.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I truly feel sorry for anybody that is in the not sweet spot I guess the sour spot of not being able to select the vehicle of their choice due to economic factors, and being forced to buy one of these used pieces of shit that is replete with garbage technology that does not serve the user in any meaningful way. Oh my God, I've never one from that generation and I never will, and I consider myself blessed. Just operating a microwave nowadays is torture, give me a fucking chunky button and let me press the fucking thing.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

If you're in China you can probably get one.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What car maker is not providing keys? As far as I know, app control is optional.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Rivians come with only a single key fob, and it's not all that reliable either. Two "key cards" but those suck in their own ways

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Many car "keys" are wireless tokens nowadays (tbf I'm not sure of the security compared to traditional keys, I only heard some brands like Kias were very easy to steal in the last few years).

Mostly we want a million buttons with tactile feedback, I'm with OP! I would also like an EV "econobox": a sensible shitty boxy lightweight car with a small LiFePo4 battery that charges fast. Spend 100$ more dollars on the charger and cooling goddammit, or make THAT upgradable!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The Kia's that where easy to steal used cheap keys though, the push to start Kia's where not being stolen.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

At least in the US, You will struggle to find a car newer than like 2015 that doesn't have a screen, and it's basically impossible to find one newer than 2018 because it's mandated at the federal level to have a backup camera installed.

you may not find full on infotainment system, there will be some sort of screen involved. But many manufacturers go by the methodology that if they're installing a screen anyway for backup cam they might as well just go the whole nine yards and have it be a full-on infotainment system

Sadly I don't have any recommendations, but I'm considering taking this plunge as well so I'll keep my eye out on this thread

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

One of the reasons is that in i think 2018, they made backup cameras mandatory.

EDIT: 2018 NOT 2016

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

the latest Citroën e-c3 is super-stripped. physical key, no frills at all. the range also takes a hit to keep costs down though.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I hate the mentality of "people who don't want premium features just can't afford them". No bro we don't want them because they suck.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

Sounds like you're looking for something that only exists in the used market, which may be your plan anyway.

The Mitsubishi imiev never took off, but it's probably the least-frilly EV you can buy. But as Doug Demuro will tell you, it's a bit quirky. Assuming you're American, yes, is was released in the States but no, you probably wouldn't have heard of it. I'm not sure I'd recommend it necessarily, but it's an option

That said, I have a Chevy Bolt. Pretty easy to find on the used market (and with that, get service if you need it) no dumb features nobody asked for. It does have Android Auto/Apple Car Play, which is actually pretty awesome (I believe it's the 2022+ models with wireless car play). Their base models are pretty barebones (some don't even have DC fast charging, watch out for that) but higher trims do have some nice features to them. It's kind of a car you've seen on the road but didn't know you actually wanted.

By the way, backup cameras became mandated a while ago. I'm not sure the screen size requirements (I've seen some cars put it in the rear view mirror, which was kinda cool actually) but since most cars need a screen now to support that, and higher trim levels will use that screen for other things, and making multiple pieces of hardware for the same car is an annoyance for car makers, you'll probably see a screen on most cars. Just FYI.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

EV Conversion Kits is probably your best bet.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I would like to know more.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

There's a lot of EV kits and also people converting petrol cars for a living, f.e. this little beetle:
https://youtu.be/kYmMrMEwl94?t=282

Just search for EV Conversion Kit and you'll find a lot of hits such as the first hit on duckduckgo for VW Golf 2005 EV Conversion Kit that may be bought with or without installation:
https://ev-evolution.eu/solution/volkswagen-golf-ev-conversion-kit/

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Carice is a cool option.
An old school, no frills sports car, that happens to be all electric.

Sure, they're hand built to order. But in that class, they're surprising cheep. Less than €50K if I recall

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