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A new internet is forming (& Meta wants to control it) (yewtu.be)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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A federated internet is forming. It's built on open protocols like ActivityPub & connects services like Mastodon, Threads, Pixelfed, Tumblr, Wordpress and more into a connected network known as the fediverse. And everyone from tech enthusiasts to Mark Zuckerberg and Jack Dorsey seem to want in.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Get fucked corporate America! Go get fucked real good. The fediverse was always what the internet was supposed to be. Not this corporate manipulation web you’ve weaved. Get fucked.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

I cant say I disagree.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Don’t worry, the military-industrial complex wants to control it, too. Atlantic Council: Collective Security in a Federated World (PDF)

And don’t worry, the military industrial complex and corporate social media platforms are really one undifferentiated thing: Facebook Partners With Hawkish Atlantic Council, a NATO Lobby Group, to “Protect Democracy”

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And once they control the media, no one will ever again have to worry about learning the truth when military and/or police commit war crimes like genocide, or murder protesters at demonstrations, or when the cops murder people for not having the correct skin color, and so on.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

🌍 👨‍🚀 🔫 👨‍🚀 Always has been

Michael Parenti: Inventing Reality: The Politics of News Media
Edward Herman & Noam Chomsky: Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If the system can't protect itself from being overwhelmed by the cancer of corporate interests, then it's never going to survive. New wave internet needs to learn from the downfalls of its predecessor. The design must have protections built in to prevent capitalists from capitalising, or else it will inevitably fall.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

We need people like you. I wouldn’t have thought of the possibility (honestly). Do you also have ideas how that would come along?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago

The internet still has to fight to be free

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

No I love activitypub, but no it's not lol

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

https://nebula.tv/videos/techaltar-a-new-internet-is-forming-meta-wants-to-control-it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

can someone here eli5 how Meta is gonna take control of the fediverse? isn't it supposed to be a decentralized thing?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

[+] [email protected] -23 points 9 months ago (5 children)

meh. more fud

meta hasnt declared or made any intention of overtaking the fediverse, but that hasnt stopped a metric fuckton of people freakin the fuck out or generating fud blog post after fud blog post

its like claiming meta is going to overtake and own email because they stood up an email server.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yes! That is most literally true!

People doubt the face value benign intension of Meta with regard to the Fediverse.

Which leaves uncertainty of their real intention.

Naturally causing fear of a self interested malicious intention.

Which all seem to be quite reasonable concerns, given Meta's market position and history.

[+] [email protected] -16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

so you agree, its all unfounded scare-mongering vlogs without any substantiating information regarding AP.

grooooovy

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

As I said, I agree with the literal facts. The implications in your phrasing I disagree with.

Instead of unfounded, I would call it unproven.
Instead of scaremongering I would say warning.
And generally I avoid using absolute terms like "all", since only it takes one counter example, to make such a statement factually wrong.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

I absolutely love the clarity of this response

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Facebook is literally arguing to the US federal government that regulations about social media usage by children, and the data they sell from it, aren't their problem but are the responsibility of Google and Apple.

Why do you trust them?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

You think they're going to announce their intentions?

Can I sell you a home in Guatemala? It's the best deal you'll ever come across.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Which point? Or did you see the title and wrote your own narrative?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

facebook have intention to maximize profit

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Literally this. Right now you can’t create your own mail server because big corpos like Google, Microsoft is going to make you end up in spam folder.

Now, apply this to fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

i run mail servers professionally and personally. youre right its not easy, but its not impossible. its a regular topic of self hosting.

but more to your point, how has meta usurped smtp? ok. now apply that to AP.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You can technically create but you can never be sure that your mails will received.

They don’t usurp the service but make it uncomfortable/unstable to you.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is a distinction with little difference, which is convenient for them, because they can say well ackchyually we’re not stopping you from self-hosting nerd when in practical terms they are.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's not just convenient for them to do it; it's how they are able to evade anti-trust action (not that the U.S. is great at it anyway but still). I also run my own mail server. It's not impossible, and I wouldn't even say it's even hard. It's just time consuming to set up (if it's the first time), and there are a lot of hurdles to make it so impractical that it's virtually impossible to the average person. Only the most patient or those who have a real desire to run their own mail server will even attempt it. Anyone can set up their own mail server, but most won't because it's not worth it compared to using something that just works from Google.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Yup, it’s very not trivial.

Carlos Fenollosa: After self-hosting my email for twenty-three years I have thrown in the towel. The oligopoly has won.

Jamie Zawinski (JWZ) agreed enough to boost Carlos’ post and has been documenting his own email pains for decades.