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They sell things that come in cups, or with napkins. Lots of people cycle/run/walk here instead of driving, seems pretty stupid.

Taking away the bins doesn't mean you don't produce rubbish....

Edit: I think there is still a bin IN the cafe, but most people eat/drink outside. Lots of people asking staff where the bins are. Still hypocritical I think though? (And still mildly infuriating to remove well used bins!)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Growing up in the 60s, we saw anti-littering commercials, called PSAs (Public Service Announcements),on TV every day. Ask any older American what they remember about those PSAs, and they will say "The crying Indian."

Today, they never show those anymore, and i am seeing young people littering as a result. I was recently in a fast food lot, and saw a car pull in, a young guy about 20 get out, and throw a bunch old fast food trash into the bushes, then walk into the restaurant. He passed a trash can next to the door on his way in, where he could have tossed his trash, but he just tossed it in the bushes instead.

I collected up the trash, and set it on the hood of his fancy hot rod.

I've seen plenty of similar examples in the last few years, because young people dont see those PSAs telling them not to, and even their parents havent been educated to teach them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Idk, that was before my time and it just seems common sense to me to not litter 🤷‍♂️ the trash doesn't just disappear and it will become someone else's problem.

It feels to me a lot of people don't care if it becomes someone else's problem and that mentality goes through all parts of their lives.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago

And that was the secondary effect of PSAs like the litter campaign. The underlying message was that we are all in this together, we have to live with each other, so lets try to clean up after ourselves because it benefits us all.

That message being burned in our brains at such a young age contributed to our sense of pride in America. Today, it's just everyone for themselves.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 hours ago

Pack in, Pack out.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 hours ago

Sounds to me like they just dont want to empty the bins any more. I suspect after a few months of picking rubbish off the floor, the bins will be back.

Or not and everyone will complain and stop going.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

The only way this will work is if humans behave in ways that no human has ever humaned

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

There are countries where this is culturally how litter is managed. Japan is a fully developed example - bins are hard to come by, everyone brings their trash with them.

It can be done.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 30 minutes ago* (last edited 30 minutes ago)

While it can be done you have to have a focus on the group over the individual like Japan for It to happen. The main issue faced in most of the countries where litter would be an issue are ones that are more indiviualistic. So you have to upend the entire culture of a country and move its focus off of self and onto the whole. Can it be done? Eventually. Will it be done? Not likely.

So for now, there should be bins. Lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

People who go to trails are not gaurnteed, but are more likely to care about the environment they traveled to go to. Mostly.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

We survive that way in Japan with almost no bins. Of course the odd person litters, but most don't; if we can pack it in, we can pack it out. Now, if there were no bin inside the cafe, that would be idiotic.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I do have the impression that Japanese people have a much stronger "social responsibility" with public stuff compared to most westerners.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

*all westerners

Really. Japanese society has a lot of issues on its own, but there's also a lot to learn from them.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 hours ago

The places with the fewest places to deposit one's trash are always the ones with the most litter. Always.

If someone wants another person to adapt a behavior, from a purely practical standpoint, that person must make the other person's job easier or it will simply not work to get them to adapt. If this wasn't a forest (such as it is, it being the UK), the only proper thing to do would be to dump as much trash there as possible while demanding the bins back until they get the message and cave in. I could write a whole book here about how the packaging industry paid lobbyists and PR firms to put the blame on consumers for the useless crap they make existing in the first place, and shaming them into keeping it out of sight and thus out of mind. I won't. But it's a tale vile enough that it convinced me that there's a time and a place for littering as protest. The woods aren't the place.

Besides, there ARE receptacles that are critter resistant. This is an absolute cop out, and seeing how landscaped the area is, a couple of bins would hardly scar the landscape. This is pure crap. I looked the place up, and it's NOT the kind of place where you deny people trash receptacles, nor is it the kind of place you can credibly base your argument on "we don't want animals to get used to people". Good lord, what a bunch of idiocy.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

"To support our commitment to reducing the number of covid cases, we have elected to discontinue counting them. We kindly ask all infected to kindly die at home."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Skip that last sentence.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

Geniuses have no understanding of how some people can be dirty.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

One problem with outside bins is that the wildlife is naturally drawn to them and the contents can be damaging to them as well as desensitising animals to people, plus things like squirrels and birds will pull rubbish out of the bins and spread it around.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 hours ago

Why not put that on the sign then instead of some vague, unrelated bollocks that doesn't justify the removal? If that's the case then I feel the wording on the sign is borderline dishonest.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago

You can have wildlife proof bins.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 hours ago

That's not how human behavior works...

Someone thinks they're very clever and they aren't.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

"We don't have enough funds to make the guys do that route, what do we do? what did you say Shannon? masquerade it as taking care of the environment? that's fantastic"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 hours ago

Hey ChatGPT, I'm a dork who works for a local council and we are cutting costs by removing two bins from a local forestry. Can you come up with a sign that spins the removal of these bins into a positive?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago

I fully support the choice to remove the bins. I visited a beauty spot in Scotland recently that has a coffee van in the carpark. The young couple I took there went to add their empty cups to the already overflowing bin, and were baffled when I insisted they take them to the car, which was ten steps away. "But there's a bin!" Yes you numpties, and the wind is already spreading its contents everywhere. Be part of the solution, not the problem.

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