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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 hours ago

Uh, very few countries have birthright only citizenship.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 hours ago

Well your kid won't get citizenship, but you'll be able to afford to birth them.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Is birth citizenship that common? Won't work here in Germany for example...

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 hours ago

Literally zero European countries do it. It seems to be in the Americas only, and Chad and Tanzania. The concept that this is some human right apparently only applies to he US.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

None in Europe

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Hah! Good luck finding one

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Which is really only used in the americas. Europe/Asia doesn’t use it, except in specific circumstances where the child wouldn’t be eligible for citizenship elsewhere. But even that is only due to treaties set up to prevent stateless people. If the child would have citizenship elsewhere (like in America), the European/asian country would tell them to apply there instead.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

Not in Italy

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Here`s the fun part.. you dont need an anker baby to come live in the EU. I think alot of countries here would welcome Americans who had enough of Trump

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

Also airlines won't let a pregnant woman travel at that point

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Doesn't work in most countries. Being stateless isn't very fun.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

US citizenship comes from the mother, if born abroad. The baby would automatically be a US citizen, possibly have dual citizenship.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Most countries don't have birthright citizenship.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 hours ago

Yes, I’m just saying that the baby of a US woman would not be a stateless person if born in a country that doesn’t have it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

That is technically true, while missing a key fact. Birthright citizenship is the norm for countries in the Western Hemisphere. The vast majority of countries in the Americas have birthright citizenship. The USA is not some rare outlier here.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think any european country has it..

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Most European countries actually do in a limited fashion. Countries that have signed the Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness grant automatic citizenship at birth to people that would otherwise be born stateless.

More countries should adopt birthright citizenship. It has a lot of utility to it. It prevents the formation of a multigenerational undocumented underclass and greatly assists in the assimilation of immigrants into the broader culture. It's simply a fact of life that some immigrants will enter a country illegally. And while it is bad enough that they may live the rest of their lives in hiding, it's even worse when people are born into that condition. You can end up with generation after generation, people with little to no ties to their "homeland," living as a permanent underclass because they lack citizenship.

It's also a protection against some forms of tyranny and oppression. A favorite tool of tyrants is to strip citizenship from their victims. They'll sometimes go back generations and declare decades-old immigration cases as fraudulent or invalid. Look at the Rohingya genocide, where the Myanmar government declared an entire minority group to be illegal immigrants. Having a hard rule that says, "if you were born here, you have citizenship," prevents these tactics from being used on anyone except actual immigrants. Tyrants can still target immigrants, but their children are protected.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago

Jus soli is conditional, and doesn't include hopping on a plane and just visiting a country, the birthing parents have to have established residence in the country. There's also citizenship granted to children born to parents who are from whichever country it is.

None of these represent what we see in the US. No country in Europe grants automatic citizenship to children born of foreign parents.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The mother or the father, and it depends on circumstances. The rules are more strict when the father is the US citizen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

If the father is a citizen, the mother is not, and the baby is born outside the US, citizenship does not transfer from father to child.

If the status of the parents is reversed, citizenship does transfer to the child.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Not to be rude, but where did you get that info? It isn't correct. Doesn't it sound a little too oversimplified for something like birthright citizenship laws in the US?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I looked into it when people were talking about Ted Cruz being born in Canada. His mother is a US citizen, so he’s actually a birthright citizen.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Here's the law if you're interested in learning about it: https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-h-chapter-3

It's pretty easy to understand. It depends on a few different things - you can be born to a US mother and not be a citizen, or to a US father and get citizenship through him. It depends on marriage status and there are different residency requirements for different situations. Those requirements are different depending on which parent is the US citizen too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Goon holidays are the best kind of holiday

[–] [email protected] 146 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (19 children)

This only works if you go to the green countries:

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 hours ago

It's pretty telling about how much Americans know about other countries that the assumption is that Jus Soli is the norm.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

I told my wife we're going on an extended vacation in Kenya. She sounds stoked.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 hours ago (6 children)

What if I go to the gray countries? Do I despawn?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 hours ago

They have deathright citizenship. You automatically become a citizen if you die in their territory.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 6 hours ago

You can't go there until the next expansion.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago (6 children)

Green: unlimited birthright citizenship Red: Limited birthright Citizenship Gray: (At least from my own country, Switzerland): No birthright citizenship

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I need to tell my brother to vacation in Uruguay this winter

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