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As of revision version #85, OpenStreetMap has the following tags for Golfo de México:

  • name:en Gulf of Mexico
  • official_name:en-US Gulf of America
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 33 minutes ago

Such a weird thing for everyone to fixate on and lose their shit. Let our dumbass en-US selves do whatever "official" dumbass thing we have to with the name.

Everyone else can leave it what it always was.

Next time there's a Democrat U.S. President, the "en-US" term will be changed back to Gulf of Mexico.

This is stupid.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 hour ago

@zlatiah Best comment in this thread: " Can we retag Trump’s golf courses as Golf of Mexico? " 🤣

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 minutes ago

It’s calles the Gulf of Mexico, people should stop using different names in different languages and use the actual name.

Like The Netherlands is called The Netherlands and two of it’s provinces are called Holland

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

Why is this even being discussed?

Are they discussing renaming Taiwan to China as well?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 29 minutes ago* (last edited 27 minutes ago)

The name itself can't really change in OSM because it's based on what someone "on the ground" would see, i.e. street signs, etc.

Previous OSM naming conflicts have usually been areas of disputed land where some group de-facto controls the land and therefore the street signs, and therefore the OSM 'name' and 'name:en' tags.

That's not going to work very well for a region of mostly international waters with several countries putting up their own signs to it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Taiwan is the island, also known as Formosa, and it is ruled by the Republic of China. Separately, but still part of that state, there's the autonomous mainland provinces, calling themselves the People's Republic of China, a rebel faction which somehow steadfastly refuses to declare independence.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Looking at it this way, I'd call the "mainland" part West Taiwan

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago

Nah West Taiwan is the western half of Taiwan. It's an island, not a state, just as Denmark is not Jutland, or Spain, or Portugal (fight!) Iberia.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

One way a global index can respect local authority would be for the index to acknowledge that within that territory, there is an official name for things.

They can also be pragmatic and acknowledge a common local name, the global consensus name, etc.

In many ways, it's just a further fragmentation like language.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Are you taking about Formosa or the Republic of China?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I'm going to be looking for ways to make the name even more Mexican now. Maybe just perfect my Spanish at least for that one phrase. Gwalfo de Meh-hee-co

[–] [email protected] 41 points 12 hours ago (5 children)

Hey. Your all blinded by this nothing and elon is getting contracts of money he dismantled from government. Congrats americans. Hope another cou try can put us in our place.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Current U.S. leadership: Our billionaires are gonna be bigger than all the other billionaires in the world put together. (I honestly believe there's an insecurity motive there: if US billionaires don't amass significantly more wealth, they won't be competitive in the billionaire world against outside billionaires.)

U.S. Democracy: If one dollar = one vote, I guess we should save all that money we have been wasting on elections.

The real reason for the surge in prosperity of the middle and lower classes after WWII: decimation of the ultra-wealthy throughout the developed world. Remember: the post WWII US income tax on the wealthy was 91% - literal decimation, for those who paid.

https://www.wolterskluwer.com/en/expert-insights/whole-ball-of-tax-historical-income-tax-rates

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

(I honestly believe there's an insecurity motive there

Once you have more money than you could reasonably spend in a lifetime, it just becomes another penis measuring contest for insecure manchildren.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

I could see myself wanting to own multiple private islands, getting Larry Ellison to sell me Lanai is going to take a lot of money.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

They also returned from the war to a much stronger welfare system.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Oh, hell yeah. My parents got 4 and 6 year college degrees based off the income of a teacher, hairdresser, mechanic, and night watchman. 100% debt free. Then their parents, who had $0 to their name at the start of WWII, helped my parents again by buying them a starter house. My parents were both school teachers, on that salary they built a new house in a golf course subdivision, new cars every couple of years including a brand new 6 cylinder BMW... Then the 80s came.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 hours ago

thank you, enlightened one… we are all forgetting every other crazy thing they’re doing and focusing exclusively on map apps….
we’re all so blind, thank you for helping us see!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

What specifically do you think that OSM maintainers should be doing to stop this instead of maintaining OSM?

Also coup has a p.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

no doubt it's all been squirrelled away into crypto. They'll have fun trying to hold the guy accountable. Oh wait, no, accountability is for the poors.
Anyway, enjoy the sound of the keys jingling, folks

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 hours ago

It's possible to know about this while also knowing that extreme fuckery is occurring. But its not like your average Lemmy user can do anything to stop either.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

For the next four years I also propose renaming en_us to an-us.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

As I explained to Google (from Dan McClellan) _references do not assert from fiat what things are called. A dictionary definition is not an official definition but what a word means or what a thing is called at the moment.

Most of the world calls it the Golfo de México or in English speaking regions, the Gulf of Mexico. Changing all the maps of the world won't change this.

Now granted, a state chooses what to call itself (such as the changing of The Ukraine to simply Ukraine but that is the incorporated entity that is the sovereign nation of Ukraine.

As the US does not have sovereign control of the Gulf of Mexico, it doesn't get to declare the name of a region of international waters.

This whole thing just makes the GOP, MAGA, the Trump administration and by proxy the people of the United States xenophobic and barbaric as hell. It's not a good look.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

Its just a distraction meant to throw people off the smell of the real crimes they are committing. Call it the gulf of dogshit i dont care

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

it was never “the ukraine”, russia just called it that because the ukraine was a region to them… like the great plains is to america…

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Russian doesn't even have definite articles, to them it was always just Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Judging from this very polemic article by linguistic anthropologist Kathryn E. Graber, the argument is that a linguistic distinction that exists in Russian (and Ukrainian) is mirrorred in other languages using the definite article. 'Na Ukraine' on the one hand literally means 'on Ukraine', 'v Ukraine' on the other 'in Ukraine'. Graber goes on to say that 'In Russian, a person is “na” an unbounded territory, such as a hill, but “v” a bounded territory that is defined politically or institutionally, such as a nation-state.' She would then probably also argue that the same, in English, goes for names like 'the Congo', being named after a river. The claim that this is a Soviet-era practice (if what she means by that is that it arose during the Soviet Union), is simply not true, though. In Google Books you can find plenty of titles with 'the Ukraine' from before 1900. The earliest mention I found in English (though I didn't look very well) was from 1672.

It anyway strikes me as very performative. You can well argue that language influences the way we view the world (though, I think the way we view the world influences the language we use much more). Even so, there are obviously much bigger (concrete) threats to Ukrainian sovereignty than (to Ukrainians) foreigners using a definite article or not. Thus, it becomes less a matter of protecting sovereignty, and more a matter of simple respect to Ukrainian sensibilities. Ukrainians may take offence at you using the definite article, and you may want to prevent that by not saying 'the Ukraine'.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 21 hours ago (12 children)

As an American, I will refuse to call it fuckass gulf of america.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

I dunno. That could be kinda snappy on a map. "Ok, let's see, here we have the North Atlantic, the Sargasso Sea, and the Fuckass Gulf of America."

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Since Trump is slang for fart in UK, I propose it be re-renamed to Guff of America in his honour. I bet he wouldn't even notice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

Apparently the family name moving to America was "Trumpf", so that fits well given its a fart with a little trailing 'pfff', likely caused from the subtle loosening of a well used asshole.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Honestly, I think that we the people need to assert our own right to name things more often. I don't recall the latest name of the Brewers stadium in Milwaukee, for example. Whatever company that paid to have them put its name on the front didn't pay me. It's "the new County Stadium" as far as I'm concerned.

(I have no philosophical objection to the name, by the way. Reps of the new company can DM me, we can work out a deal.)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

There's a county cricket ground near me that was named the Hampshire Rose Bowl when it was first opened 25 years ago. In that time it has been renamed a number of times in honour of a selection of insurance companies I'd never heard of before, but to pretty much everyone in the area it's the Rose Bowl.

So yeah.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 17 hours ago

Ask any illinoisan what the tallest tower in Chicago is and you won't hear the name that's on the building. And good for them

[–] [email protected] 16 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

An acquaintance helped close a deal for a stadium naming rights. It had been a multi year process, the negotiations were crazy, the company deliberated forever trying to decide if this was the best way to increase brand recognition and man that shits expensive.

So like a shit head that thinks he’s funny I started calling the stadium by its sponsor like 3 sponsors ago when I was around them. You could see the anxiety spike when I did it.

Your comment made me think of that. It’s hilarious. They would have had a fucking breakdown if they had heard someone say that out loud.

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