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Fucking Hell. Like the Nazis burning their Records.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 6 hours ago

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I was thinking this earlier: can't we just bombard DOGE/executive branch with FOIA requests?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 hours ago

And when they ignore them?

[–] [email protected] 95 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

If Elon Musk is a government official it means you can sue him personally if you got banned from Twitter for violating your first ammendment rights to free speech.

Same with Trump and Truth social.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

That's cute. You think the constitution still matters.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 hours ago

I apologize. He blocked my business from posting.

[–] [email protected] 207 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

JFC...

"Hold on guys, we need to hold up on doing our Totally Legit and Properly Legal thing until we can get on a comms system that is properly hidden from all investigation..."

MAGA: YEAH! THE GOOD GUYS WON!

[–] [email protected] 102 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Their conception of morality is exactly backwards.

They first consider if the person aligns with their in-group. If so, then whatever they do (so long as it doesn't directly have a negative impact on themselves) is by nature good.

Obversely, if a person is a member of a group that is not aligned with their tribe then any action taken is inherently wicked and detrimental to society.

They don't judge morality by the action, they judge it by the actor.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 13 minutes ago)

Don't worry though, if they have a falling out with the in group they were always bad and this has zero weight on your past present or future judgement.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

That's literally how Nazis operate

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Yes, it's common to all flavors of reactionary ideology.

Which is why it's so rich for conservatives to pretend to hate "identity politics." It's literally all they have.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Swamp status: Drained™

Drain the Swamp™ is a trademark of Trump LLC and does not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of Trump or president Musk

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

MAGA is another way of saying "brainless zombie".

Those people could not find their own ass with two hands and a flashlight.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

How exactly is there such a thing as a records system not subject to FOIA?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

The article says that the administration seems to be claiming the executive order where they changed the name of United States Digital Service to United States DOGE Service allows them to make the sweeping changes they are making. This is of course ludicrously beyond the pale when it comes to data security violations involved in taking control of data managed by other agencies and getting involved in their staffing. It's a smokescreen for autocracy.

The claim in this particular instance is that they are saying the executive order redefined the reporting structure of the department. Where previously they reported to the Office of Management and Budget, where everything is subject to FOIA requests in the short term, they claim their USDS reports to the White House Chief of Staff and therefore is shielded from FOIA during the current administration. We can theoretically get the data later (I'm sure they'll be very responsible with chain of custody on such important data 🙄) but it will be 4 years later, when no one cares because we're in the trenches dealing with the long term consequences of what's happening right now. So, it is subject to FOIA, yes. But they're making up stories and betting the courts won't dare to challenge them.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 hours ago

The fact that they are moving so quickly tells you they don't think what they are doing is legal.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 hours ago

But they're making up stories and betting the courts won't dare to challenge them.

No, it's worse than that. They know the Supreme Court will rule on their side no matter how ludicrous the reasoning is. See: the Dobbs decision.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Pen, paper, a trash can, and a lighter

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Even paper records are supposed to be saved.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

Yes "supposed to be". But do you really expect that from anyone in this administration?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Am I nuts or during his first term wasn’t there a story about Trump literally eating a piece of paper after he read it??

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 hours ago

He did that shit regularly. Also tore them into bits, and aides would pick them up and try to tape them back together.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

He probably thought it was a very flat hamberder.

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

we shouldn't have records systems not subject to FOIA

[–] [email protected] 85 points 11 hours ago (18 children)

We shouldn't have a majority of voters in the U.S choosing a Nazi, but here we are.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Plurality* the majority of registered voters did not vote, voted for harris, or voted 3rd party.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago (9 children)

Not voting and voting 3rd party is support for Donald, but whatever makes you sleep better at night

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

Practically speaking, they let Trump win. But that doesn't mean they actually like Trump or approve of what he's doing. Imagining that everyone who didn't vote for Harris is a die-hard Trumper just leads to despair, which benefits Trump.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

They technically are, but not until the current administration is out of office, which is somewhere in the realm of never.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 hours ago

Those enabling a nazi, are by association also nazis. People need to stop referring to this administration as separate. They are also pushing the agenda, so they are also nazis.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago

We should, but only for private citizens. Anything government related should be done in public.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (3 children)

Maybe his yes-men will start using Discord instead lol.

Better question: why aren't they using X, the thing that Elon is advertising as the Everything App?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Reminds me of the dorkwad who leaked military(?) secrets to his friends on discord a couple years ago. I think he was about their age at the time too, which tracks.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago

On the Warthunder forums there are regular leaks of military secrets, like fighter jet schematics, specs and such just to win arguments. People are fucking stupid.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

All goverment records are subject to FOIA by default. It's an opt-out system.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

They shouldn't be able to opt out.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 54 minutes ago

They shouldn’t be able to do most of what they’re doing, unchallenged

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 hours ago

Well if the Republican packed courts get to decide it will probably stand. Even though it is total bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 hours ago

No need to burn records when so many have simply accepted their content being removed from visibility without reason or accountability in this day in age.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

https://youtu.be/5RpPTRcz1no

Ignore the courts. All part of the plan. We are fucked.

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