Han (The Preble) shot first.
Medusa rules apply - just grab a shiny shield.
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Damn, I thought only Yamato class could carry wave motion guns
Considering that they're gonna give infantry shotguns to shoot down drones , I like where this universe is going
Who would win?
New Navy with line of sight laser weapon (3 mile range to horizon), or this smokey boy throwing 2,000 lbs of steel over the horizon.
I don't know. Can the laser shoot artillery shells out of the air?
Nope. It can only melt them.
That does not make any sense at all. If you can melt through an artillery shell's wall, you trigger the explosives inside it. The shells end up exploding miles away from your ship's hull. Maybe you'll end up with some inert metal fragments falling down on your ship's deck, but it's not going to do any damage except maybe minor injuries to unarmored personnel standing on the deck.
It can't melt through such a large mass of steel in the short time it has before it hits. The lasers are meant for missiles which have very thin metal walls. Also, the AP rounds aren't explosive. They're a solid mass of steel.
Huh. Learn something new every day.
Not if they are cannon balls. Checkmate lasers.
I mean...I don't think any naval ship manufactured after 1870 has much to fear from cannon balls.
That picture is the closest representation of what hellfire must be without entering nuclear territory. For sheer display of power, that is that, in my opinion.
They are sending so much hate that the entire ship was pushed sideways, look at the wake off the bow.
There's very minimal lateral movement. Almost all of the recoil goes downward. It would be very bad if the recoil moved the ship laterally, because then you lose your fire control solution.
Quick, someone remind me which ship it was that was starting to sink so they just shoveled water to one side do they could extend the range of their weapons and effectively become an extra artillery team during WWII (was that the siege of Normandy?)
Man the US was so much cooler when it stood for something
Man the US was so much cooler when it stood ~~for~~ against something
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That's only minimaly due to sideways movement. Much more important is that the shockwaves are pushing water down creating a terracing effect.
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Fun fact: The US ha a Hellfire missile that doesn't even explode. It's meant to hit one person and kill them while limiting casualties in the proximity.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/agm-114r9x.htm
Ah yes, the knife gun.
Knife MISSILE, CIVVIE
So it's essentially a rocket propelled ~~rock~~ knife block?
It is like a rocket propelled slap chop to one person that shouldn't exist meaningfully to the horror of the person sitting next to them.
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If you don't need accuracy, the Age of Sail beats this easily. This boy has 12 cannons, the Santísima Trinidad had 140.
A broadside must have been spectacular.
All of Trinidad's throw weight is less than a single 16".
Trinidad Total throw. 1510lbs.
Missouri single barrel single shot weight. HE 1900lbs AP 2700lbs.
Total throw weight. HE 17,100lbs AP 24,300lbs and that's ignoring all secondaries and AA and later added missiles. Missouri could throw the total weight all of Trinidads cannons themselves in a single broadside. Oh and that's throwing it 24mi....
I get it, though your calculations are a bit off, the Trinidad's total throw comes off as a bit more, around 1150 kg, not 684 kg as you suggested.
That said, I was going by spectacular explosions, or amount of boom. If it's about how much shit you can throw at an enemy, the recently sunk Moskva could launch 76000 kg of explosives and steel at you in a single volley (if operated by someone not as completely inept as the Russian Navy). In fact, rocket artillery is so OP from this perspective that a single old Katyusha could throw more than 500 kg at you, so the Missouri is worth around 1.2 shitty technical trucks with MLRS batteries strapped to them per cannon.
No it's not. At is biggest it was 1588lbs, 1150kg is 2535lbs.
https://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=2647
It would loose in volume and range too a single bofors would be more than a match for Trinidad and Missouri had 10 quad mounts or 40 receivers throwing a 2lb shell 140 times a minute to a range of 23,000ft.
All of the Trinidad's iron cannon balls would bounce off the 12" steel armor of the Iowa battleship.
Yeah and the Iowa would be powerless against a sustained modern ASM volley. But still, it would look cool.
The laser is for drones or missiles. Missiles are used for ships, which outrange battleships by a large margin, hence why they've been phased out of service. One jet can sink a ship hundreds of miles from its carrier.
It has been suggested before that we might one day see a return of the battleships. The one technology that might allow it is truly effective rail gun technology. I remember seeing a story years ago speculating that such a ship parked of the coast of North Korea might be able to lodge shells anywhere onto the Korean Peninsula from well offshore.
Missiles are always likely to have their advantages, including range and maneuverability. But the potential advantage of railguns is a very cheap cost per shot. And instead of a ship's hold full of explosive-stuffed missiles, your ship has a reactor, a bank of capacitors, and a whole bunch of shells that are little more than big slugs of inert metal.
This article for example suggests a potential railgun range of 200 km.
Us truly mastering railguns is one of the few scenarios that we might actually see a return of the old battleships. Except instead of artillery shells, they'll be lobbing railgun slugs. And instead of being protected by foot-thick steel armor, they'll be protected by a porcupine lattice of laser defense systems.
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*If funded by the USA.
The US took out a third of Iran's navy during Operation Praying Mantis and we tried not to while giving them ample opportunity to not get fucking wrecked with minimal effort.
We won't fund healthcare, but our unhealthcare is second to nobody because we spend 9x more than the 2nd place loser, Russia. We account for 40% of total world military spending. If you think we can't kill you, it is only because we don't want to prove how wrong you are. If you want to die, we can put a warhead on your forehead without a rounding error of our defense budget.
Unhealthcare... wow.
Everyone knows these lasers can't hit anything on this flat earth. It needs to aim so far down the water will refract it unless you're within like 20 feet.
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