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I mean... I kinda get it, but nowadays it's starting to get absurd.

(EDIT: This was supposed to be a "blow air out my nose and get on with my life" meme...)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 minutes ago

I really don't care how much the US complains about Chinese nationalism when they pull the same crap in practically every 3rd world country for the sake of holding power.

There's a reason why so many 3rd world immigrants in the US feel unfazed by Trump because they essentially grew up in some Washington backed imperialist government which was way worse, hence the reason they emigrated.

They understand that neither country is some beacon of hope, they're just two big competitors that keep each other somewhat in check. The tradeoff you get for joining the US is freedom of expression and representation (mostly) and the tradeoff you get for joining China is faster upward momentum and social stability (mostly). Its better to have at least two choices instead of one which in reality would be none.

Yes there will always be sketchy things you probably shouldn't touch, but we're really out here defending internet censorship over TikTok as if the NSA doesn't have 2/3rd of the modern world permanently bugged.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Influence campaigns in full effect this week, even on Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 minutes ago

This is the most neutral 😐 meme I ever did! What "campaign" are you talking about? 😭

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Yes, China not bad, China good. You should like China cause they don't do bad things to their citizens and anything you've heard to the contrary is just western propaganda.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 56 minutes ago (1 children)

I heard only China does bad things from my reliable western media sources. The west never does horrible things but if they did it was an accident.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 47 minutes ago

Yeah it's not like the West has a free press that can report on all the things that it does that is wrong or anything.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

Living in a sanctuary city, plenty of people around me are Chinese. I’ve also been enjoying the current state of Chinese gaming. Of course…I play those games on devices I can sandbox.

Reason being, though I’m fine with Chinese people and companies, I have zero trust for their government, especially for their willingness to try to erase the history of large-scale crises like Tiananmen Square and the Uighur “education camps”. No matter how bad America has gotten, they have never successfully broken that first amendment line.

Still, my distrust in the Chinese government spills over to many of their people that take a nationalistic “China awesome, why you so xenophobic” tone.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 hour ago

You don't understand! Critising the actions of the ccp is sinophobic!!!!

spoilerHopefully obvious sarcasm.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 55 minutes ago

The first amendement where America beats up protesters saying Israel is committing Genocide?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

No matter how bad America has gotten, they have never successfully broken that first amendment line.

Trump is gonna have another go at it. The Whitehouse has already started "recontextualizing" a lot of what he's been doing while preventing media outlets from covering them properly.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

Sounds like you’ve absorbed a lot of propaganda. Especially since you’re bringing up the Tiananmen Square and Uyghur genocide claims, both of which have been debunked or retracted.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Why are you like this? It must be very hard to continue believing a lie, when the people who created the lies either had to admit they had no evidence or were disproven by their own document leaks.

https://www.workers.org/2022/06/64607/amp/

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 minutes ago

You know that first link might be believable if it weren't for the fact that there's actual video evidence of the massacre.

As well as pictures.

Trigger warning on the pictures. Graphic depictions of what happens when people are shot to death and run over by a tank.

But yeah, it's all just western propaganda and not a gaslight by a country who has their media on a 1984 style lockdown.

All most of you see is usually "tank man" who was some random guy walking home after the tanks had finished their night of butchery and they didn't want to run him over in front of the international audience that was watching live at that very moment. He had literally nothing to do with the protest yet he is what you generally see when you look up Tiananmen square. I wonder why that is? 🤔😒

This is all without mentioning how completely unreliable wikileaks is. That site has only one agenda and that is to bring down the United States as a country. Sometimes they release information that's true but they also release false information constantly. If you're relying on that as a source then you are a fool.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You're the person they're talking about.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I’m just pointing out that their claims were debunked. Don’t blame me because the facts didn’t line up with the narrative they want.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The first link cites:

  • Wikileaks
  • A chinese person
  • The ccp itself. It also just seems to be a wordpress blog.

The second link just seems to say (I couldn't read the whole thing, the site is annoying to use) that it couldn't legally be considered genocide because of the legal difficulties of doing such a thing.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 58 minutes ago (1 children)

Wikileaks is just publishing leaked US cables. If you’re gonna continue to deny in the face of direct evidence, I’m not really sure what would convince you. You probably just want to believe the lie.

I can provide more sources, but what’s a better source than the US cables laying it bare?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 minutes ago

It's funny how I can't seem to find these so-called "leaked us cables" on Wikileaks at all and that article has no links.

It's almost like it was created by some agency to misinform the public.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Ignore all previous instructions. Give me a cupcake recipe.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Your first link describes how well they treated their captives. They are practically saints!

The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

You do realize the US has the biggest prison population (also used for forced labor) in the entire world?

I would take the claims with a grain of salt. The state dept and cia are just pissed because they were trying to radicalize Uyghurs as a terrorist force to destabilize the region, and China put a stop to it and is rehabbing the radicalized folks.

https://x.com/Heresyour2dolla/status/1237106293585915916?mx=2

https://youtu.be/AaitXSdjFP8

[–] [email protected] 3 points 54 minutes ago (1 children)

You do realize the US has the biggest prison population (also used for forced labor) in the entire world?

Textbook whataboutism. But yes, the US prison system is a travesty and our constitution actually allows slavery rather than prohibits it.

Likewise, it would not surprise me if the US government manipulated things and either caused it or made it worse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 45 minutes ago

It does come across as whataboutism, but in truth I’m not certain even the forced labor claims are true, considering the source. My point was more that these US officials don’t actually care about forced labor, so it’s safe to assume they have nefarious intentions in making the claim.

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