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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 days ago (7 children)

So, funny thing: a person's body language may or may not tell you something about what they're feeling, but it absolutely has an impact on how you perceive them. When you get advice to make eye contact, or not cross you arms, or ball your hands into fists and cock your arm (no, dude, I wasn't being aggressive; body language theory is such bullshit), it's saying less about what your internal mental state and more about how you're non-verbally communicating to others.

The bullshit part about body language isn't that it's not valid, because it is. The bullshit part is that there's some key that let's you interpret it unambiguously.

Some people avert their eyes when they lie. Some when they're disinterested. Some because they have social anxiety. I do it because I simply can't think clearly when I'm staring into someone's eyes, because I'm too busy drinking their souls. But when someone is talking and you avoid eye contact, whatever your reasons, they will tend to feel as if you aren't interested.

Anecdote time! The aunt of a friend was a local politician when Bill Clinton was running for re-election, and he stopped in town, gave a speech and mingled, so she got to meet him. She said his most amazing characteristic was that, when you were taking to him, you felt as if you were the only person in the room. He had no distractions, his eyes didn't wander to more important people, he wasn't thinking about other, more important things: when he talked to you, he had all of his attention focused on you, and was only listening to and talking to you.

That's what I think of when I think of effective body language. Regardless of what really was going on in Clinton's head, when he talked to someone, he was able to make them feel as if that's all he was doing: listening to and talking to them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Funnily enough, I feel like in most social situations people would think I was insane or overfocused on them if I kept steady eye contact - which I easily could. But I consciously decide to let my eyes wander every now and then to let them feel less pressure. Because honestly I doubt that the cashier or my daughter's kindergarten teacher wants me to think that I talk to them like they are the only people in the room and I am 100% focused on them. I especially prefer looking "to the side" when I listen because I am way too scared for people to think I am a maniac who wants to make them my whole world.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lol your aunt just wanted to fuck Bill Clinton and you turned it into a life lesson on body language.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

Oh, come on... everyone wanted to fuck Bill Clinton. Don't be shy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hey bro whatever you're talking about can't be that much more important than this angry birds level, keep talking I can multi-task

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

There's only one thing more important than Angry Birds, and that's the factory must grow.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

No idea why you were downvoted. Solid analysis!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

And as you see you didnt say you are a body language expert and you seem like one so i guess the comic was right.

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[–] [email protected] 176 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (12 children)

If their eyes do that, they might be autistic.

Source: am autistic.

[–] [email protected] 102 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Or socially awkward or anxious

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Hell I'm generally fine with eye contact, but if I actually want to pause to put thought into an answer, I will absolutely look away so I can get in my head and think!

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 3 days ago (2 children)

My eyes always do this and I was diagnosed with ADD as a child after an IQ test. Teachers before always accused me of being dishonest and I got into all sorts of trouble because of it.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 days ago

a lot of people still read me as dishonest

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I grew up around a lot of pathological liars, and still have two in my life. I detect it so quickly. It's not like the kind of lying I do, pathological lying is compulsive and sometimes pointless. It has nothing to do with body language, it's all verbal clues.

I have a really good friend now that I would have written off as a pathological liar. But I had to be around him because we kept getting assigned together. What happened was once he detected that I don't care about machismo or if he could beat me in a fight, he stopped lying because he was no longer trying to impress me.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

ND salesman checking in. Yep, I hate this lie.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Try reading to the final panel.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

They can't. There were eyes in that panel, and therefore their eyes looked away.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago

I did. What I said still applies.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's a fun subject to talk about regardless. The final panel makes it funny, sure, but I imagine a lot of people like discussing their variety of social quirks with others... and this definitely provides the opportunity.

Alternatively, another social quirk that exists is responding before fully processing something... replying to an email / comic / thread before reading the content completely... THAT is typically a behavior seen in people with ADD.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I have ADD and still do this sometimes verbally. I hate myself for it because it's so annoying. Ever been around someone that constantly finishes other people's sentences? Probably ADD.

But have you ever been around someone who constantly finishes other people's sentences wrong? It's funny at first but not for long, holy shit it's annoying. And they do it because they want to move the conversation along, but in reality they are slowing it down by forcing others to repeat themselves, correct, or clarify.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah. For some (this isn't excusing it but explaining some of it:) the finishing a statement is 'urgent' because you unconsciously have trained yourself to handle a fleeting idea immediately or potentially lose it to the noise again. Pre medication I moved to a notepad and as someone spoke I'd just leave response breadcrumbs for when they finished. Worked reasonably well.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

I went to an alternative school for a bit, and one of the “behaviors” I would get punished for was not making eye contact. I still don’t feel comfortable with it.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Came here to say this. It's so hard to look at someone in the eyes.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I don't know where to look! It's so awkward.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Bridge of their nose

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Bridge of the nose, or just above it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

A friend/co-worker has a trick he uses that I thought was pretty clever, though it only works if you're nearsighted: he takes off his glasses so he can't see your eyes but looks like he's making eye contact

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Then you notice how far apart their eyes are or there's a zit there or they've a faint monobrow and you wonder if they've ever considered shaving it and you just missed most of the last five things they said.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago

And if their arms or legs are crossed, they're probably feeling cold.

Source: am cold.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

It's actually both.

Allists! Your eyes are not that interesting! They're boring to look at 10 minutes straight.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Or theres a FUCKING SPIDER ON THE CEILING

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

I've never heard averting eye contact means that. I do it all the time because I'm scared of making eye contact not because I'm disinterested or dishonest

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 days ago

In some cultures, direct eye contact is actually aggressive and disrespectful. Kind of jarring when it happens when you come from a culture where eye contact means you're paying attention...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago

I think that's the joke

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago

The thing about body language is that it's always context specific. Yours is a common reason in a lot of people who avoid eye contact, especially with strangers. However, if someone who usually doesn't avoid eye contact suddenly does it, then it's often because they're disinterested or dishonest. Or just nervous or stressed. I don't know. Maybe I'm full of shit too, but I don't call myself an expert.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 3 days ago

Had me ready to rant until the last frame... well played.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Youtube Title: "Top CIA agent reveals TOP TEN telltale signs a SUSPECT is LYING"

Thumbnail: a person doing normal things like... scratching head... or touching face

🙄

Also fuck those "crime stories" youtube channels where the narrator keep mentioning the suspect's "body language" like if its indicative of anything.

Like bruh, they already read the results of the case, of course they know that the suspect is guilty/innocent, that "body language" is just hindsight.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Watching American true crime is painful when we are used to the UK system. Hang on you used a fucking polygraph? Are you actually serious? May as well just go "yeah that guy is giving me bad vibes, so I told him what to say to confess". Meanwhile in the UK they look for actual evidence and can't just tell you what to say to make a confession to something you didn't do.

Stuff like "You said you were at home and have never met them, this evidence shows your DNA on the victim. How can you explain that? "

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

It is pretty terrible when I watch an American docu and am surprised when a detective/cop or team seems to genuinely care and have a desire to help. So many are horrible people. Audit the Audit is a good one for putting those types on blast.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I have no concept of a law enforcement agency that does anything outside of try to coerce those society has deemed "problematic" into creating additional problems for themselves.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

What they won't say is that it has nothing to do with any specific body language. You know how some people talk with their hands?

Well everyone has little things like that. In poker they call it a "tell" but that's still inaccurate compared to what interrogaters are really doing.

They can't actually tell if anyone bullshits or not. They have facts about the case, or in the CIA example they have intelligence. They use lie detectors and what not to create anxiety in the ~~victim~~ suspect/asset. When someone is in sufficient fear, they will let information slip because the brain literally loses control over itself. Too much fear, like in torture, and the brain will force the person to choose whatever answer it feels like will result in self preservation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

People brag about the times they were right, or the times they believe they were right. They won't mention the times when they were wrong, or will just convince themselves they were right about something. If they brag to the right people, they can make a living out of it.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 days ago

What’s disappointing is that body language can definitely help to determine how people are feeling or what they are thinking, but the people who are into it the most just seem to forget it’s not a foolproof method to completely determine the truth.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I just don't know what to do with my hands most of the time and sometimes shoulder pain...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Shoulder pain. I tuck my hands under my arms in such a way to kinda prop my shoulders into a position of comfort. Pretty much everything I do is just looking for the position of comfort all the time. I get some anxiety like most people from time to time, but my mannerisms are for every situation. Comfort is key.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago

This comic is perfect. I was starting to get annoyed after the second panel and it did exactly what I was thinking.

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