this post was submitted on 24 Jan 2025
119 points (98.4% liked)

Europe

1850 readers
766 users here now

News and information from Europe πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί

(Current banner: La Mancha, Spain. Feel free to post submissions for banner images.)

Rules (2024-08-30)

  1. This is an English-language community. Comments should be in English. Posts can link to non-English news sources when providing a full-text translation in the post description. Automated translations are fine, as long as they don't overly distort the content.
  2. No links to misinformation or commercial advertising. When you post outdated/historic articles, add the year of publication to the post title. Infographics must include a source and a year of creation; if possible, also provide a link to the source.
  3. Be kind to each other, and argue in good faith. Don't post direct insults nor disrespectful and condescending comments. Don't troll nor incite hatred. Don't look for novel argumentation strategies at Wikipedia's List of fallacies.
  4. No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism.
  5. Be the signal, not the noise: Strive to post insightful comments. Add "/s" when you're being sarcastic (and don't use it to break rule no. 3).
  6. If you link to paywalled information, please provide also a link to a freely available archived version. Alternatively, try to find a different source.
  7. Light-hearted content, memes, and posts about your European everyday belong in [email protected]. (They're cool, you should subscribe there too!)
  8. Don't evade bans. If we notice ban evasion, that will result in a permanent ban for all the accounts we can associate with you.
  9. No posts linking to speculative reporting about ongoing events with unclear backgrounds. Please wait at least 12 hours. (E.g., do not post breathless reporting on an ongoing terror attack.)

(This list may get expanded when necessary.)

We will use some leeway to decide whether to remove a comment.

If need be, there are also bans: 3 days for lighter offenses, 14 days for bigger offenses, and permanent bans for people who don't show any willingness to participate productively. If we think the ban reason is obvious, we may not specifically write to you.

If you want to protest a removal or ban, feel free to write privately to the mods: @[email protected], @[email protected], or @[email protected].

founded 7 months ago
MODERATORS
 

all 23 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 18 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Critical industries should use EU tech. Preferably opensource and preferably not by a monopoly.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

As a Canadian I have seen our government crumble to for-profit entities. The issue is that a lot of governments do not want the liability of something if it fails.

Will EU countries that planned to use open source options and their own staff, already on the payroll, still likely create a procurement plan for maintenance and ongoing tech support?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

For things like government data, they sort of have to run that infrastructure. I certainly do not want my tax data or the like on a Google server or similar. Also people will blame the government anyway, if something goes wrong.

However non government entities can certainly develop software. There is a lot of it used by governments, which is also of interest for private entities and having that sort of tech support is interesting to companies as well. Also it being open source creates competition for getting those sort of contracts. As multiple companies can work on the same project.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

I get triggered when a for profit entity (like ESRI) uses open data and then sells it to governments..

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Great, start with excluding Microsoft! Oh, didn't you just say that is impossible? /s

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

With the shipping containers of money that goes that way great open source alternatives could have been funded to easily get on their level.

The Dutch government at some point after XP was phased out paid millions (which came down to hundreds per computer) for extended support on just that.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's so frustrating that most companies in Europe go for the three biggest cloud providers. It's such a shame that we don't have a MS, Google or AWS scale cloud provider in Europe.

Hetzner has gotten some real progress, but does not seem to be the default option, or even considered for most companies

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Americans want and have spyware in te very core of our infrastructure. Look at what happened when they offered to help Greece with their comms for the olympics, they killed a network designer who found their spyware.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Americans want and have spyware in te very core of our infrastructure. Look at what happened when they offered to help Greece with their comms for the olympics, they killed a network designer who found their spyware.

Source?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago
  1. "The Athens Affair" – This article from IEEE Spectrum offers an in-depth analysis of the wiretapping incident, detailing how unauthorized software was installed in Vodafone Greece's network, the subsequent discovery, and the broader implications of the breach.

  2. "Vodafone fined €76m over Greek wiretap scandal" – This report by Pinsent Masons discusses the substantial fine imposed on Vodafone by Greece's privacy watchdog due to the illegal monitoring of mobile calls, including those of top government officials.

  3. "CASE OF TSALIKIDIS AND OTHERS v. GREECE" – This document from the European Court of Human Rights examines the investigation into Kostas Tsalikidis' death, highlighting the court's findings on the adequacy of the Greek authorities' inquiry.

  4. "Vodafone exec's death in 2005 a murder, not suicide, prosecutor finds" – This article from the Athens-Macedonian News Agency reports on the 2018 conclusion by a prosecutor that Tsalikidis' death was a murder, overturning earlier rulings of suicide.

  5. "Greek wiretapping case 2004–05" – The Wikipedia page provides a comprehensive overview of the wiretapping case, including details about the discovery of the illegal taps, the subsequent investigations, and the death of Kostas Tsalikidis.

  6. "The Greek wiretapping scandal and the false promise of intelligence..." – This research paper delves into the complexities of the wiretapping scandal, discussing the involvement of intelligence agencies and the broader implications for privacy and security.

  7. "Vodafone embroiled in Greek phone-tapping scandal" – This article from The Guardian discusses Vodafone's involvement in the phone-tapping scandal, providing insights into the company's response and the broader implications of the incident.