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[–] [email protected] 87 points 6 days ago (8 children)

You can tell this is a poll of what people perceive to be the important jobs because doctor is #1. The most important jobs by sector in order of importance for developed nations is

  1. power supply- we all need electricity and few of us have the ability to generate it ourselves

  2. water supply- getting enough clean water for your day to cook and wash is a near full time job. For Americans a gallon of water is roughly 8lbs and your average toilet uses 3-5 gallons per flush. It would take much of the day to get and purify the water you use

  3. sanitation workers- this the poll got right. The folks collecting waste do more directly for public health than most doctors could hope to do.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago

your average toilet uses 3-5 gallons per flush

I’m pretty sure toilets generally use 1.6 gallons per flush, and that’s a legal mandate.

Source: used to have an autistic obsession with them.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm honestly surprised that cleaner and garbage collector are as high up there on the list as they are because those seem to be jobs that society generally looks down on.

At least the graphic has that going for it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

Wonder if it was a poll during 2020. COVID really highlighted cleaners' jobs as essential.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I wonder if doctors get elevated on these polls because people feel like it is a more unattainable skill.

I would imagine a lot of people (falsely) assume that it would be easy to plop people into power plants to keep them running, but harder to replace doctors.

My completely unknowledgeable take is that if we had to pick and choose people for the post apocalypse job hunt, we would want way more mechanics and engineers than doctors. Doctors need a lot of hard to obtain stuff to do the most doctor-ey part of their jobs, and if we aren't worried about laws and regulations, then we don't need them for things like prescriptions.

Most of what they would be needed for in that scenario to me seems like emergency care, like first aid, which you don't really need all the superfluous med school training for.

Meanwhile, the hydroelectric dam that the new post apocalypse group is forming at needs a lot of varied disciplines and specialties just to keep it running.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

What about the least essential?

  1. Tax consultants - helping companies avoid contributing to society
  2. Marketeers - manipulating people into buying worse products for higher prices
  3. Middle management - causing a lot of fuzz while doing nothing of significance.

Just to name a few. An artists contribution may be abstract but it's certainly there. There are others that actively sabotage society and very often they make a lot of money.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

For modern society, sure. For foundational society, you don't have any societies without Farmers, Educators, and some sort of doctor.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We had hunter gatherer societies with none of those jobs.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sure, but we didn't have even ancient cities without them

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I assume this is why we hear about foreign actors targeting power stations more than hospitals.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

Without power all those hospitals are nearly useless. Sure there are backup generators but they only run the bare minimum and only for so long.

Disable the power grid and the affects will be catastrophic on any developed nation. All the food will be spoiled within a few days to a few weeks. No business will be able to run including gas stations. Most communication will be down.

The whole area grinds to a halt untill power can be restored. Do enough damage to take out the power for a week to a large city and the damage will be incalculable. Not to mention the lives lost in that time.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

This is also why GWB tried to redo the US electrical grid but failed. It is a huge target that needs to be updated.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Always remember, music is also art. Now imagine a world where theres no music. You can't listen to anything while driving, riding the bus, going shopping etc.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (4 children)

You can listen to things while driving, but it is either NPR, talk radio, or church sermons.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Not NPR, that's writing and journalism, which id argue is definitely an art.

Have fun with 500 versions of Alex Jones though.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

I think I’d kill myself if I had to listen to NPR’s Up First without the jingle. I think that jingle keeps me sane.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's not that I disagree with the principle, but on the mentioned occastions, I will ~99% of the time listen to podcasts or audio books instead of music.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You might be shocked to learn that books is art, too.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I mean everything could be considered art if you look at it from the right angle :o

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

Sure, but novels, paintings, and songs are traditional arts, they are art first and foremost.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

I don't listen to anything in any of those scenarios.

Many people are not listening music 24/7.

Music is nice, I don't say it's not. But you could 100% live without it.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Guessing this might be non-essential workers as per covid lockdowns, ie how important it is for them to attend a workplace in person, but it's definitely funnier if it is a ranked list of perceived importance to society, so let's go with that

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

Its right about telemarketing

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

A quick image search returned this

https://mothership.sg/2020/06/milieu-survey-sunday-times-essential/

So many commenters are missing crucial context to this infographic.

This was released during peak covid and I mean PEAK as in June 2020, global lockdowns, high mortality rates, shortages of essentials. In case anyone has a short memory, the world as we knew it practically ground to a halt.

Not to take away anything from artists but essential in this context meant essential to the basic human needs. Health, Nutrition, Sanitation.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I know they meant painter but graphic designer is probably one of the most important jobs if we’re talking about business. A company without some sort of graphic is dead in the water.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

Plot twist: Graph was mad with AI

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

But what about telephone sanitisers, account executives, hairdressers, tired TV producers, insurance salesmen, personnel officers, security guards, public relations executives, and management consultants?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Is this the list from Hitchhiker's Guide?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

the 23% of people who didn't vote for garbage collector... Are they hoarders?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

They're the people who just haul their own trash to the dump.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

They were probably asked an open ended question. Artist is likely the most common answer given due to the simple fact that more people can think of that job compared to PR manager when asked

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

Project Manager was #1 but they told the artist it didn't fit the scope.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

Artist? I think the job was passed off to the first person passing the bosses desk.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If you think artists are non-essential, try teaching a technophobic boomer to renew their driver license through a terminal command.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

A good UI has nothing to do with art. In fact, art leads to terrible UI.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

UX designers are artists. UX design is art.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This is too philosophical to be practical imo.

If the argument is that everything that requires creativity (read: requires independent thoughts and conclusions) is art, then the definition starts to become useless.

UX design is creative, but it isn't always art, following rigid accessibility guidelines set by governing bodies isn't art, even if you sometimes need to be creative in your implementation.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

Hey, cleaners are second most important, they must be paid super well, right?

... Right?

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