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Summary

French President Emmanuel Macron urged Europe to "wake up" and strengthen its defense in response to Donald Trump's second-term inauguration.

Highlighting potential U.S. policy shifts, including reduced support for Ukraine and a military pivot to the Pacific, Macron emphasized Europe's need to reduce reliance on U.S. security.

He called for increased European military spending, robust aid to Ukraine, and guarantees for its security post-war.

Macron’s remarks underscore concerns about U.S. disengagement and aim to prompt Europe to play a larger role in global security.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Don't be fooled. Nothing that's happening in the US shocks him.

He's expressing a logic of block against block to defend the interests of the French ultra-rich (Arnault, Bettencourt, Drahi, Saade, Bolloré..)

And in his vertical conception of politics, France must naturally lead the European bloc, and he must naturally lead France.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

He's not shocked but he is preparing. Europe's planned defense against Russian imperialism has traditionally counted upon the USA to assist Europe. There's a much greater chance of that not happening should Putin attempt to project force westward. Europe needs to plan on moving away from their traditionally closer toes to the USA

[–] [email protected] 31 points 21 hours ago

Should have thought of that when he blocked the socialist plurality from choosing their prime minister, forcing again a right wing clown.

I surely hope the French can resist le pen

[–] [email protected] 12 points 18 hours ago

Says the sun king.

[–] [email protected] 198 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Macron referred to expected changes in Washington's foreign policy, citing the need to reduce reliance on the United States for security.

As an American, I also urge Europe to reduce its reliance on the US, for security or anything else. You're going to want to insulate yourselves as much as possible from my unbelievably stupid, and potentially very dangerous country.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I feel for you. People just voted in power kind of asshats their grandparents fought a war against.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 day ago (10 children)

This is what gets me. I remember the war stories my grandparents told, I remember the nightmares my grandfathers had. These boomers are throwing away a country their PARENTS fought for, to people their PARENTS fought against. It only took one fucking generation to brainwash them.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The thing is, it was a close one that first time around. Prior to Pearl Harbor there was a small but strong pro-Nazi movement in the US. That's part of why the US was being moderately hands off during the start of WW2. Sure the US was shipping supplies to the UK, but in the grand scheme of things that wasn't much.

Japan really fucked up by attacking the US as there's a pretty strong argument to be made that that one action determined the outcome of WW2. There's an alternate history out there where Pearl Harbor didn't happen and the US either never took part in WW2 or else entered far too late to make a difference and the Axis powers ultimately won.

Turns out the pro-Nazi faction in the US never really went anywhere, they just got quiet for nearly a century. Lets hope we can shut them up this time again.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago

Of course they never went away. Same thing happened with the US civil war; they didnt finish the job (and id argue it was probably the same groups).

Clearly, "the scouring of the shire" is not an optional part of the story.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There's an alternate history out there where Pearl Harbor didn't happen and the US either never took part in WW2 or else entered far too late to make a difference and the Axis powers ultimately won.

Seems unlikely since either way the Soviets did the bulk of the work of defeating the Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That is A: debatable and B: something that happened thanks to the lend-lease program. A lot of brave soviets put their lives on the line, but so did soldiers of many other countries.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Only hope is that current bunch appear to be morons and sycophants, but they can pave the way to something much worse. Honor and dignity has disappeared from politics and surprising many stabilising things were reliant on that. Now everything goes and Trump will go like a Duracell rabbit.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago

I’m quite literally feeling sick about this. My grandpa fought these fuckers, only for my family to elect them again.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

WW2 - Democratic America and Communist Russia, joining together to fight Fascist Europe

whatever this shit is - Fascist Russia and Fascist America scheming over how they'll divide the world.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

You're missing China, Israel, and to a lesser extent, Iran.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Im not convinced that China will ultimately stay "allied" to Russia. the CCP is incredibly obstinent, and Russians are incedibly racist, they hate China, they hate the fact that China has been taking over east asia (including the colonized parts of Russia) for years up to this, they've fought serious border wars against each other. they say they're allies, but its only for the camera, the only reason Russia isn't openly regarded as a Chinese satellite state, is the nuclear arsenal. Russia's economy is smaller than Italy, it has a relatively large population of old and poor people, its military is eviscerated, and it's used up pretty much all of the diplomatic capital it had in the world by going on an imperialist genocide.

and until Im proven wrong, the Republican party in the US seems to have nothing but hatred for China, and nothing but footsie flirtation for Russia. I think I read somewhere back during Trump's first term that they were trying to "court Russia to be America's ally so that in the future they could both fight China" Not giving a F about how Russia is seen by Europe, (and in hindsight other than getting the nukes off the table, its a braindead alliance plan, Russia cooked itself trying to colonize Ukraine, and pissed off europe to the point they started re-arming, making them the military power of the continent again. Strategically, if we're disregarding the openly kleptocratic tendancies of Mobsters and Oligarchs running both countries, making people like Putin, Trump, and Musk ridiculously wealthy... Russia has nothing to contribute to America other than taking 3000 nukes out of the equation, and guess what, China and America still have enough to wipe each other out)

Israel and America are largely the same entity.

Iran and Russia are diplomatically, the same entity, Russia's closest ally isn't the fake, for the cameras relationship with China, their closest Ally is Iran

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As a Canadian I urge the same for Canada.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Canada into EU. You are are already a better scandi country than denmark.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

I'll go a step further. Do you have any idea how wet Trump would get about invading Europe?

[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We're at day 2. Europe sat on its hands with a wait and see attitude. Meanwhile, In Washington, Trumps allies were throwing hands into seig heil gestures...

Europe needs to prepare for war, if Donny's date with Putin doesn't result in Putin fucking off, then no one is going to stop Russia, but Europe.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

if Donny's date with Putin doesn't result in Putin fucking off

Does anyone realistically think Trump being elected would do anything but further play into Putin's hands?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Republicans don't give a shit about anything other than owning the libs. That's their entire ideology.
Trump's ideology is doing whatever it takes to give Donald Trump the most amount of power.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

Libs need to pretend to love israel and putin, that way the repubs will have to own the libs.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Shame, but i have to agree with macron on this one.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Even european terrible politican is nowhere near american avarage.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

That is true, depressing and funny at the same time somehow

[–] [email protected] -5 points 11 hours ago

It's probably the first time that guy say someting inteligent in all his life.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

So is he going for the hypocrisy world record, does he think we're all idiots with no memory of his tenure in government, or is this just a ploy to enrich his buddies in the MIC?

I'm gonna go with D: all of the above.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Wasn't he also one of the first European leaders to congratulate Trump on his victory?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago

The word "diplomacy" has its roots in Latin from thousands of years ago

It's a fairly basic concept

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago

Strategically, this was probably the right move. At that point, the results were in. We can't change what happened, only where we go from here. Kissing his ass is a case of Tragedy of the Commons.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

True but Macron shouldn't be a leader either

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Of course not

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