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[–] [email protected] 28 points 23 hours ago

We're at the "normalizing fascism" stage.

Historically there's no way out of this. We're going to have to push through a very sad, very deadly phase in American history and see what happens on the other side.

Buy a gun.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

You only get three hots and a cot for doing that salute in my country.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Here's the thing, in a normal, functioning society if someone gets caught doing a gesture that is interpreted by some people as being a Nazi salute, that person apologizes.

Even if in their heart of hearts they really didn't mean to do a Nazi salute, they still apologize. They're not necessarily apologizing for Seig Heil, they're apologizing for how the gesture was received and interpreted. In a normal world, in a non fucked country, it's very important to clarify "I'm not a Nazi, I hate Nazis, I would never do that, and I'm very sorry that what I did hurt and scared people." In some countries, merely doing that gesture is grounds for arrest, but someone might avoid arrest if they made it clear it was an accident.

Whether or not it truly was 100% a Nazi salute matters less than the aftermath. No consequences, no apologies, no denials. The US is so fucked now that there are no consequences for credibly behaving like a Nazi in public. He won't be fired or censured by the boards of his companies. Trump and the rest of the GOP will continue to eagerly have him around.

The US is now a place where for about half the population (including a lot of non-white people) being a Nazi is not a dealbreaker.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not just in public, the richest man in the world, during the inauguration of the President of the United States that he just spent a shit load of money getting elected.

This is terrifying. People should be terrified.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I'm too tired to be terrified

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago

in a normal, functioning society if someone gets caught doing a gesture that is interpreted by some people as being a Nazi salute

But it isn't. All media has clearly told us within minutes that we did not actually saw what we saw with our own eyes and it's just error in judgement on our side to have mistaken his "odd looking gesture" for a nazi salute.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 day ago

Journalist in the middle of a highway road as a truck driven by elon musk barrels down towards them at blistering speed: IT IS UNCLEAR WHAT MUSKS MOTIVES AR-

[–] [email protected] 211 points 1 day ago (7 children)

“This is a man with Aspergers exuberantly throwing his heart to the crowd,” the journalist said, calling Musk “a friend to the Jews.”

Also, Asperger's is no longer a medical term and there is no indication that Elon has ever actually been evaluated. Autism is not an excuse to throw a Nazi salute, for fuck's sake!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Someone should tell Musk what the Nazis did with "Aspergers" kids.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

as a matter of fact, Hans Asperger's work during the national socialist years in Vienna can actually be described as dialectic. a rough summary would be that while participating in the evaluation and killing of children he developed his dissertation in order to get some of the kids out of the T4 program. that dissertation later became the base for the diagnosis that was named after him and found its way into popular culture.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

For lack of a better term I find it "interesting" that they're using the outdated term named for a Nazi collaborator

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Autist here, while I can be awkward and accidentally do or say offensive things not meaning them...

A full on fucking Hitler salute isn't even something we can do on accident.

Closest I've gotten was while getting excited in public shouting "WHITE POWER!"

Context: I was playing a Power Rangers game on my phone, and got Tommy Oliver's White Ranger, my voice went out before I could say "Ranger"... I am very bad at controlling the volume of my voice. Seriously, sometimes I'll say something and it sounds like I'm whispering, but I"m yelling and vice versa. I have no idea what's up with that, people often have to tell me if I'm yelling or not.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Maybe stick with the Green Ranger going forward.

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[–] [email protected] 139 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Elon I had well figured for a Nazi, certainly paints a message doing that at the POTUS podium, but CNN just calling it . . . odd? What the fuck is that non response about? I can only imagine that if they managed to open up labor camps CNN would call it 'slightly concerning'. Now more than ever we're on our own, the big club has give up all pretense of being unbiased and unmasked themselves for who they always wanted to be.

edit: And this is the NYTs enlightened take

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Is it really hard to find meaning? It’s not even hinting at it anymore.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 day ago (1 children)

CNN got a right wing CEO a few years ago IIRC. Late 2020 or maybe 2021 if memory serves. IMO the coverage was almost immediately different.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago

I'm confident that they are being forced to not compare the current situation to nazi Germany.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All of the "liberal media" (lol, that phrase was always silly and now it's beyond farcical) was already obeying in advance. This is just more of it.

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Just saw a video of it, that's not just Nazi like, that is a textbook ENTHUSIASTIC NAZI SALUTE!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I say it’s almost a frame by frame match

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

Thanks for excellent documentation! 👍 Showing that just as I claimed, it's textbook enthusiastic heiling, There is no explaining this away. USA has become a Nazi country!!

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I mean, not textbook. It was sloppy and uncoordinated. Dipshits can't even fascism without looking awkward.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

Well... a certain mustache guy was also know to be a rather sloppy saluter.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's deliberate for plausible deniability, but it's so obvious.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

Maybe but I also think he's an uncoordinated dip shit

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

This is the clincher for me. I could MAYBE give him the benefit of the doubt for being basically an excitable toddler who waves his arms around like a dickhead, but the fact he did the exact same salute, TWICE, shows he blatantly meant to do it. I think he meant to look a lot cooler than it did, and not like Butt-head.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago

You're a better person than I, then. I can't give him any benefit. Not for a long time now.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

That, and I can't believe the ADL, of all people, was equivocating on it.

Oh, wait, I can, because the ADL has long since stopped giving a shit about antisemitism and has instead started accusing anyone who protests against a genocide of being Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 128 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As social media exploded with condemnation of what some were calling a “Sieg Heil,” with some others applauding the world’s richest man’s gesture, there was also some speculation that Musk’s movement was more like that of an Imperial Roman general in the Gladiator mode.

Do people think the Nazis invented their salute? They took it from the Romans. To say it was actually a Roman salute is to also say it was a Nazi salute because they are basically one and the same.

[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They didn't, the association with Rome comes from this painting. The author didn't have anything to believe it was historically correct.

It is correct though that Italian fascists had a hard on on everything that was classical Rome-adjacent and they picked the salute from a French painting like a bunch of noobs.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The Roman salute, also known as the Fascist salute

God I love Wikipedia

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Interesting, so instead of them stealing the actual Roman salute, they stole what they thought the Roman salute was. Sure the Italian fascists used it too, but the Nazis compared what they wanted, a 1000 year Reich, to what Rome had created when they had a massive empire that lasted 500 years for the western empire and almost 1500 for the Eastern years if they include the West and almost 1000 by itself. So they didnt just take it from the Italian Fascists just cause, they did it because they thought it was Roman as well, and associated it with their desire to replicate the Romans.

Thanks for the info!

Edited the years for the Roman empire after being called out for being wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 day ago

You could tell he's been waiting for the opportunity to do that for ages. He almost did it early and when it came time, he did it as hard as he could.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Magas are apparently explaining this with

“PBS News, which is publicly funded, is spreading propaganda that Elon Musk made a ‘fascist salute’ during his speech at Capital One Arena,” the post said. “Their own video clearly shows that he was motioning ‘my heart goes out to you’ to the audience. DEFUND PBS.”

Yeah, Hitler's heart also went out to all those poor Jews..

JFC

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

News media is dead. Anyone still in business a year from now will be strictly because they bent the knee for propaganda. We can't even rely on foreign news lately like we always did in America BBC seems gone too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

This will be the most terrifying aspect over the next handful of years.

Our media will begin to become state media. Historically, that's one of the last phases before the end of democracy.

I don't think people want to accept it yet, but this is actually happening here in America. We are on the path. It can happen here. I can happen anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So who wants to take bets on how long it'll take Musk to say the N-Word?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

And justify it because he's African American.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Dafuq is this unelected dipshit doing at the podium to begin with? That should be the first question to ask.

I mean we all know why but I refuse to pretend this should be the "new normal"

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago

Unelected? What do you mean? He bought his top spot of a kleptocracy fair and square.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 day ago

Yeah. So weird, this Nazi salute. From the actual President of a fascist admin. Odd. Odd looking, even.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, claims are already going around that this is just must being clumsy

You don't clumsily accidentally make a Hitler salute, especially after cosying up with far right politicians that love what Hitler did.

There must be consequences for this. Anyone who is not a neo nazi should stop doing anything with any of the products from musk. You work at Tesla? Congratulations, you work at a neo nazi factory, you might want to reconsider your career future. Same goes for those at SpaceX; do you really want to be that guy who, ten years from now, has on their record that they worked at the neonazi rockets company?

People should leave Twitter in droves now, and so should companies. They should all stop buying Tesla shit, sell their Tesla stock, and get with the normal folks.

Fuck musk, let there for once be real consequences that he'll at least feel in his wallet.

I am legit worried about him so brazenly display his fascist tendencies. If this goes anywhere how it went 80 years ago, and I fear it may very well be, then at the end of it, let's please make sure we get rid of the Nazi scour forever.

I grew up with "never again never forget" and within a decade that went to "well this is cool man!" Clearly we didn't do enough to teach people and we've been way, WAY too lenient with those that love fascism

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago

I think he was practicing it in the mirror, too. There is no way that this is a coincidence or a mistake.

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