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It's also fun how they don't even reply, just downvote. Reddit lives on lemmy.world.

For those of us who are more interested by what's really happening than western war propaganda:

https://english.elpais.com/economy-and-business/2024-08-27/ukraine-and-gaza-wars-boost-the-value-of-major-arms-manufacturers.html

Follow the money.

Im not sure about other anti-war people but I can speak for myself. Like how Assad was clearly evil so is Russia, their actions are absolutely inexcusable. However, I think it is a valid question to ask how much good does foreign intervention do? It didnt do much good in Syria or Iraq and I dont think its doing much good in Ukraine. At this point Ukraine is another US proxy, who exactly does that help?

EDIT: lot of downvotes, no replies. I know I talk a lot about gaza in this comment, but that's just because that's something I know about. I'm way less informed about the Ukraine conflict. Ultimately this comment is just asking for what you believe and why you believe it, read the final sentence first.

I kind of tapped out on paying attention to this conflict, I'm already losing enough sleep over the genocide in Gaza.

With the conflict in Gaza, my opinion is that a ceasefire would be best, followed by an abolition of the apartheid state by means similar to how the one in SA was abolished (forced by global divestment like that enforced by 1986 US anti-apartheid act, etc). On a moral level, this solution feels unsatisfying. So much land has been stolen from the Palestinians, and part of me wants them to fight and win it all back, so advocating for a peaceful resolution hurts. But I also know that realistically, continuing to pursue armed conflict will only result in more Palestinian deaths, and more loss of territory, so I reluctantly join protests in favor of a ceasefire.

I realize that the conflicts are different. Russia is much more powerful than Israel, the Palestinian ethnic cleansing has been going on for decades, etc. So I don't know what to feel about the Ukraine conflict. The pro-peace POV I've already heard. Ceasefire, concede Crimea to Russia, Ukraine becomes non-NATO zone, and the killing stops. For the pro-war people in the Ukraine conflict, what are you hoping for, and what facts make you feel this hope is realistic?

If you wonder why the americans are deadset on "supporting" ukraine:

https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/commentary/2023/08/07/defense-stocks-flourish-after-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/ https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/2024/08/08/with-the-world-on-edge-defense-stocks-soar/

Remember the average american have his pension tied to the nasdaq, institutional funds have shares in the defense industry, and so on. They don't give a shit about ukraine or russia.

You are not immune to propaganda.

Just note how this message will get deleted in no time. Can't let the truth out, huh?

Typical RadLib American imperialist Lemmy Post

Russia invading Ukraine is wrong. But the world is full of wrong things. And until America fixes its problems at home, it is deeply immoral to drain the economy and weapon reserves and put our citizenry at risk. Anyone who believes the politicians usual garbage about "protecting democracy" and "standing up to imperialism" is a moron.

US and Ukraine puppet rulers 100% instigated the war, and are the one who want it to continue. It is categorically false that Russia is interested in ruling all of Ukraine. Tolerating or believing such BS ensures your own oppression. Every US war is tolerated because you are brainwashed into stories of their leader deserving US aggression. War/sanctions is not for your benefit. Pressing for nuclear war with your absurd lies and tolerance for demonic diminishment of world is bad for you too.

There seems to be a "wokeness" over propaganda for Israel genocide, Syria insurection, and every single other war and coup the US is involved in, and the corporatist oligarchist propaganda subjugating you, and meant to subjugate you. When you humanize such disgusting lying propaganda as Russia is the one who is the aggressor in Ukraine, your idiocy fully guarantees your oppression, and you get these disappointing expectations that NYT can be "left wing" while neocon/Israel first oligarchist liars instead.

lie.
Russia tried to avoid this.
it was Ukraine who violated Minsk agreements.