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It is clear that the signal to noise ratio of the WWW is getting worse. It's much harder to find good content when using a good old search engine. And if it's good it is usually hosted on Reddit or Stackexchange.

So remember, even if it's easy too Google something (well, it isn't nowadays), we want to create a fediverse of good content that helps people (I hope). So, it's always better to write a real answer if you have the time and energy. Please help boost the SNR and reverse the AI fueled information degradation loop.

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Not sure if everyone knows this, but: if you don't want to answer the question—you don't have to post a reply! Crazy idea, I know.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (4 children)

what if i want to answer the question but i have none of the relevant knowledge and also don’t really understand the question itself?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

Just Google it.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

I don't actually own this, but I saw it used once 10 years by my fathers aunts best friend. I guess it would work for what you need it for.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 6 days ago (7 children)

"just Google it" has always been a shitty reply. People are asking for your opinion because they want opinions from people, not some nameless site/author/whatever. Even if you're just regurgitating information, it's coming from a PERSON not a random article. Never mind the reliability of the source. Heavens forbid that we social creatures social about a thing for a bit.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 days ago (4 children)

"I'm not responsible for educating you"

cool, then stfu and let somebody else or nut up and do the work if you want it done right

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I feel like it’s 2000 all over again on the Internet. The bloat has made pages borderline unusable, and using AdBlock or NoScript reverts any so-called "design progress" back to the good old HTML days.

Google is only semi-useful now, while pages like DuckDuckGo are starting to deliver results reminiscent of the old Yahoo or Lycos days.

It feels like my trusty, old-school Internet skills are helping me navigate this mess. The reemergence of usenet / groups feels inevitable.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

It's like a bouncing ball, social media starts small, and then it became bigger. It's trending on becoming small again. In the future (barring civilization ending war/calamity) it'll become big again due to some technological progress or shift in society.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The amount of times I've googled a problem, and the first result is a forum post of someone just being told to google it then locking the thread is way too high.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

These ones plus "this is a duplicate of <link to question that is only kinda related and doesn't address the specific problem being asked in the newer question>".

Fuck busy body moderators. The people you "have power" over can see how stupid and incompetent you are and being able to shut down forum conversations about it doesn't hide it, it just means people know not to bother saying it where you're looking.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 6 days ago (10 children)

I'm starting to give up on Google. I've literally copy and pasted the same error message in Google, DuckDuckGo, and Kagl.

Google will respond with "no results found" while the others will actually give me a response.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

okay so it's not just me then! I've been seeing that zero matches page more and more. It used to be the other way around, if I couldnt find something on DDG or startpage it would be on google. how did they fuck up their indexing so badly

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I think zero matches means "we weren't able to find any suitable ads so we don't give a fuck about you"

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago

Yeah, I ditched Google as my default search engine a while ago. It's next to useless and they're a horrible company.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Test kagi too

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If you don't show me that you at least made some effort to investigate: No.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Its a bit annoying when i google something and search forums and cant find an answer and i go to ask reddit or a forum and someone says"just google it" like am i really expected to make a preamble every ask-post that I've searched already?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

i really expected to make a preamble every ask-post that I’ve searched already?

Yes. You need to show your effort, otherwise your question will be considered lazy. This is specially true regarding technical issues in volunteer forums.

The seminal essay "How To Ask Questions the Smart Way" explains these and other finer points.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 days ago (5 children)
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[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Noooooo don't Just Google it try, Use a Search Engine or just WebSearch it

Dont't make Google an integral part of internet culture

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

on one hand I agree. on the other, google has historically been afraid of the verb to google becoming generic, so of course I'd like to see that happen.

I think the middle ground is say google it, but make it clear you mean google it on an alternative search engine

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

I wish I had the power to make google a not integral part of the internet just by calling it duckduckgoing.

On that note: If you talk about what you searched for last week, would that be "I duckduckgoed" or "I duckduckwent"?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Check on Ecosia!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

If someone actually wants help searching Lemmy or the Fediverse, I recommend this site: https://fedi-search.com/

Very simple, but it does the job. It's also good if one wants to learn advanced Google queries.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Never say just, and if you bother answering be proper about it

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

I agree even though I will sarcastically answer things with how easy it was to find, but I still give the information. I ask questions about things I could google myself, but I am not looking for just and answer. oftentimes Im looking for a nuanced answer and hope to find someone with knowledge around the subject that can give me a human take. not that I need a human take to know whats human because im so human myself and all. its not alien at all to me and hey who said anything about aliens. heh. heh.

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