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This is a science community. We use the Dawkins definition of meme.
This idea is overused as heavily dependant on which school you go to. My school taught a finance course, and gave advice on job seeking and interviews.
Also, mitochondria is usually taught at GCSE in the UK at least, which is not the last year of school. 'Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell' is very much a meme, it might have been interesting to use any other piece of useless information taught in schools instead.
My favorite part of the "mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell" memes (especially when cited as useless info being taught in school) is that it's grammatically incorrect. Mitochondria ARE because the word is plural, and any self respecting biology teacher knows that. The fact that this is cited as something drilled into students minds when people can't even recite it back properly is hilarious.
What the hell is a "powerhouse" anyway?
A freestanding building containing one or more power generators
Finances are taught in all schools in the UK, but statistics show that the majority of people don't remember shit and then make financial mistakes their whole life. And then they complain they're poor, lol.
Because the last five years have shown, that we have spend way to much time teaching people biology.
That's exactly what I always say when people repeat this.
Ok. So. Here’s my take.
No high schooler is EVER gonna pay even the slightest bit of attention if we incorporate a “taxes and accounting” class. No shot.
We learn certain general subjects like this in science mainly to learn critical thinking, analytical/logical reasoning skills, how to apply the scientific method (which, yes, can come in handy in many areas of life besides science).
No high schooler is EVER gonna pay even the slightest bit of attention if we incorporate a “taxes and accounting” class. No shot.
Ask any teacher who's taught it and they'll confirm. People just like to bullshit. They lie about not being taught things they were taught too. I'll bet many had a lesson that went over tax brackets etc and they just ignored it
We learn certain general subjects like this in science mainly to learn critical thinking, analytical/logical reasoning skills, how to apply the scientific method (which, yes, can come in handy in many areas of life besides science).
Given your previous claim:
No high schooler is EVER gonna pay even the slightest bit of attention if we incorporate a “taxes and accounting” class. No shot.
What makes you think that they'd be any more likely to pay attention to any other subject matter?
Most of the people I know that complain about not being taught "real life skills" are absolute dumbasses that would have refused to pay attention anyway.
I had also been told this about something before where the guy had poured water on a flat top grill. As it was boiling off be was like "man this is real life right here, if school taught things like this I'd have paid attention" and I was like they did idiot you just didn't pay attention that's literally just water boiling smh lol
We had a class like that but it was an elective. It had things like how to balance a checkbook. While I don’t use checks very often I do understand how to manage it. Think I’ve had the same checkbook for 15-20 years. Went over basic tax stuff and interest for loans and whatnot.
I attended public school in a town my parents specifically chose for the schools though. City taxes are crazy because of it but I didn’t realize how much that mattered until I got into college.
Having to peer grade anything in college was excruciating. Even simple stuff like the standard five paragraph essay was a nightmare. The start was something that kinda introduced the topic. Then the conclusion was next followed by a wall of text ramblings that was supposed to be the body?…ugh. So the five paragraph essay was now three and incoherent. The spelling was usually awful as well and It was typed. Like how is that even possible? The computers totally had spell check back then.
[…] No high schooler is EVER gonna pay even the slightest bit of attention if we incorporate a “taxes and accounting” class. No shot. […]
Assuming that some high schoolers aren't going to pay attention to the lesson, wouldn't it still be better to at least try to teach something that has real life practical use rather than something that doesn't? At least the people who do pay attention will gain something useful — it doesn't make much sense to me to reduce the overall usefulness of what's taught simply because some may not pay attention.
It would probably make more sense to ask the bio teacher for sex ed than economics.
Lol. Mainstream economics is nothing but ideologically charged excuses for the status quo. And you wouldn't learn heterodox econ in high school anyways.
At least we do know how mitochondria works.
It has been taught, you weren't listening during math/economy classes dipshit
This is what used to be taught in home economics class. Now it's just sewing and baking.
Knowing math isn't always enough to navigate the oft poorly written tax forms.
Tax forms change. And some little shit complaining "why do we have to learn percentages? Teach us something useful like how to do our taxes." would make for a better joke. And it would be more accurate.
Frankly, we should move on from the mitochondria and start talking about the immune system. I want pre-schoolers to know about the interleukins, goddamnit! Let the children in first grade recite a list of adjuvants! And somebody ~~shoot~~shoo away vaccine deniers!
We need to train more medics in the Team Fortress 2 university, so they can shoo AND shoot vaccines at vaxx deniers
But mitochondria is cool, it has its own dna because it used to be a separate organism. It fused with us, only to be made into a joke by us.
It also separates raw protons from hydrogen atoms and somehow turns it into spinny-motion, which it then turns into chemical energy with incredible efficiency. It’s a wild piece of biological machinery
Cause it’s the teacher making this decision, riiiiiiight
Do you guys call your teachers at school (i.e. not university) "professor"?
Not in the US. Professor is for college teachers.
Yes, primary school is teacher, anything higher is professor.
Where are you from out of interest?
Slovenia
If we're going to scrap something from high school to add a tax lesson, let's ditch some literature. Over four years my graduating class studied 5 shakespeare plays and a handful of sonnets. Surely we could have cut out Much Ado About Nothing and The Tempest if we still have Romeo & Juliet, Hamlet and Henry V.
Reading comprehension is more important than ever ... And you want to cut the classes that teach it? Why?
I'm unconvinced that Shakespeare is a particularly good exercise in reading comprehension given the vocabulary, phraseology, spelling and grammar is 500 years out of date.
I remember reading Hamlet out loud in class, and that was the last of the plays we studied so we had read some Shakespeare before, and every other thing you're running into a sentence that doesn't work or a word that is NEVER said except in Hamlet like 'contumely" or 'orisons' and you just get a room full of teenagers saying words one by one taking none of it on board.
If anything, learning to understand words from a text without knowing their definition makes it better for that
I’m unconvinced that Shakespeare is a particularly good exercise in reading comprehension given the vocabulary, phraseology, spelling and grammar is 500 years out of date.
Hrm I'd argue that regardless of the parlance used in the work, it's still an exercise of reading comprehension, as one is still comprehending the work while reading it.
What exactly would you want to remove, and what would you propose in its stead, and why?
People seem to be conflating economics and personal finance.
Bio is like a freshman/sophomore course. If you're taking it senior year, you're already behind in life
You only have one year of bio in high school?
Unless you take AP, where they wouldn't be harping on this particular line about mitochondria, yes. One year of bio.
It's different in different regions and it's certainly moved around over the years.
And the point remains, we graduate students who know what the powerhouse of a cell is but not how to do their taxes, work a 401k, put together a realistic budget, plan for major purchases, make a work schedule, or have any saleable skills other than being able bodied.
We aren't preparing people for life, we're warehousing them until college and if they don't go to college we just shove them into the cracks.
I understood the point, I agree with that. I wasn't commenting on that part
God forbid anyone taking a different path in life than you...
School systems set the path, and it's pretty standardized when these subjects get taught. They wait until kids get more math skills for physics classes to take place, meaning the less math heavy subjects go first, like bio and earth science.