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Depending on how the next four years go I'm on the fence between Bush Jr. and Trump but I'd like to hear from you

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[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago

It's Reagan or Nixon, no contest. Bush pales in comparison

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago

andrew jackson (or johnson can never remember which) for the trail of tears. absolutely awful

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 1 hour ago

Woodrow Wilson was so racist that he was quoted in an epigraph for "The Birth of a Nation." You know, the 1915 movie about how awesome the KKK was, which became the first true "blockbuster" film and which led to a huge resurgence in KKK activity. Not only that, but Woodrow Wilson also personally invited the filmmakers to screen the movie in the White House - the first movie ever screened in the White House, by the way. Honorable mention!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birth_of_a_Nation#/media/File:Wilson-quote-in-birth-of-a-nation.jpg

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 50 minutes ago

James K. Polk. He went into a bloody war for conquest with Mexico to conclude Manifest Destiny.

[โ€“] [email protected] 20 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Ronald Reagan did more damage to this country than any president before or after him.

[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 2 hours ago

Before or after him so far

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

If weโ€™re talking strictly the neoliberal era would it be too out there to say 1. Bush Jr 2. Reagan 3. Biden? All time though probably Andrew Jackson

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Wilson and Nixon are definitely up there with Jackson too

[โ€“] [email protected] 26 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Andrew Jackson and it's not even close. Not to downplay the horrible crimes committed by many of our other presidents but I don't think anything rises to the level of the Trail of Tears.

Remove Jackson from the running and it's a more interesting conversation, however thinking about it reveals just how interconnected all of this stuff is. While the current genocide is occurring under Biden, we can't forget that the conditions that lead to Oct 7 were created under Trump. For that matter so were the conditions that lead to the escalation of the war in Ukraine.

I think the worst in my lifetime by a mile is Dubya, but while his wars were massive and consequential we can't forget that George Senior also killed scores of people in Iraq, and Clinton carried out the sanctions regime that killed scores more. Clinton was also the one who broke Labor's influence within the Democratic Party - but it was Obama who was swept into power on the promise of a working class revolution only to smother it in its crib.

But yeah my top two are Jackson and Dubya but beyond that I'm not sure there are a lot of crimes in the history of America's presidency.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

me if enough of you write in "EstraDoll" in 2028

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 3 hours ago

I think I have Trump derangement syndrome but for Bush Jr. instead cause very few people make my blood boil just by seeing their face like that scum.

[โ€“] [email protected] 20 points 4 hours ago (20 children)

putting trump in the top 5 is lib shit

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[โ€“] [email protected] 28 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (9 children)

While W. sucked in many ways, there is no way he is the worst. Off the top of my head I can easily think of four better contenders: Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan (both guilty of pro-slavery fuckery before the Civil War), Andrew Johnson (fought to let the Confederates off the hook after the war and opposed the 14th amendment), and Donald Trump (first president to be impeached twice, first to be convicted of a felony, and may be remembered by future historians as the spark that ignites the next Civil War).

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[โ€“] [email protected] 17 points 4 hours ago

How is it even close between Dubya and Trump like honestly Bush started the war on terror, killing and displacing millions.

[โ€“] [email protected] 25 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

It's tempting to pick someone recent, but the real answer is probably Andrew Jackson. He successfully engineered a genocide, trampled the Constitution and human rights, and was actively hostile to limits on Presidential power.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

We'll see if 47 surpasses him. He's set up to do so. It's going to be wild to see what happens when Trump order troops to fire into crowds of American citizens.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 19 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (9 children)

lol trump is bad but not like Andrew Jackaon bad.

Probably

  1. Andrew Jackson - Crimes against native people
  2. Andrew Johnson - Fucked up reconstruction
  3. Ronald Reagan - Trickle down economics
  4. 45/47 ๐Ÿคฎ - We all know why...
  5. Richard Nixon - The Infamous Crook

Might have some memory gaps, but these are what I can remember from the top of my head.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago

Reagan definitely deserves a top 5 spot.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Woodrow Wilson? Heโ€™s the founder of modern US imperialism and a part of the reason most people are on this site due to the legacy of US imperialism.

[โ€“] [email protected] 17 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

If you think Trump is worse than no-oil you're telling everybody that you think norms are more important than a million dead brown people

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[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 4 hours ago

I dunno, Nixon's fuckery is downright provincial these days.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago

Yโ€™know, Nixon was also ultimately responsible for the extensive bombing of Cambodia and the extension of the Vietnam war, both of which killed millions (the former by laying the ground work for the rise of the Khmer Rouge) BUT the important part was that he spied in Democrats! Not to defend Trump, heโ€™s a vile removed that would serve the world best as fertiliser, but his legacy doesnโ€™t even remotely hold a candle to the likes of Nixon, Dubya, Truman/Eisenhower etc.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 32 points 5 hours ago

I'd probably say someone like Andrew Jackson before even thinking about Trump being the worst. Jackson did a literal genocide with the Indian Removal Act

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