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[–] [email protected] 186 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Hello. I'm from Germany and I have bad news for you. If our own history taught me anything, it's this: When there is a critical mass of citizens (including military personnel) who are willing to ignore common societal values and at the same time there is a corrupt justice system which can just bend the law to their will, there is very little in the way to full scale fascism. You guys have the groundwork for this right in front of your face. Your supreme court is only inches away from fulfilling that role and the last election showed that a majority of people are already blindsided enough to wholeheartedly believe the bullshit that they are being fed.

So please don't take this lightly. Democracy is not for granted and it can be taken away. It's a slow process up to a point where things fall in place and then it happens very quickly. In Germany the rise of the Nazis didn't happen over night. Warning signs were there from the first world war on, and the slow erosion of society along with economic factors was a key element. Hitler himself was widely regarded as a loud mouthed clown with little chance to actually accomplish anything.

The erosion part has been going on in the US for decades now. This time, most of the puzzle pieces needed are already in place.

And about the "they are incompetent, it won't be that bad" argument. They don't need competence to break things when they are in power. Breaking things is precisely what these people are looking for. Destruction of democratic values, economic instability, fear, poverty, chaos and social unrest are the key to more power. You just need to look at the designated cabinet positions. Those candidates were specifically chosen to fuck things up in the worst way imaginable. This is not a coincidence. This is a recipe taken right from the fascist's handbook.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A lot of us know and agree.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We are the ones without any power.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Please find your groups, organize, protest, demand change. We, the rest of the world, saw how big you've protested for good before, and it's needed now more than ever in your country. You're not powerless, you're not alone, and your actions matter.

You live in a country that used to pride itself as a world leader, and while that image is long gone and lost, we're still watching you guys.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You are correct, and those of us who aren't fucking morons have known this since even before he came into power the first time. We have a lot of horrible and/or apathetic people. Democracy is worthless if the populace is uninformed or doesn't participate. Now it's dead here.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Education should be free, even for the kids if the neighbor you don't like.

Of course it's not free, it costs tax money, but it's okay. Id rather my neighbors had free education, then maybe I'd like them.

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[–] [email protected] 137 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bracing for "Wait, I didn't think you meant me?!?!?"

[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Cool, a leopard! Can I pet it?"

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[–] [email protected] 94 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Next up: arson attack on US Congress. And then the Enabling Act.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Didn’t the Canadian burn the Whitehouse down once or something?

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 month ago (16 children)

Twice.

Don't make us come down there a third time, I swear to Gord.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Honestly, I'm not seeing a downside here.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

From Canadian POV the US is the down side.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

American here: genuinely, I would appreciate it if you did.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Like the German version of Nazis before them, they aren't coming for their biggest target first. They're coming for their political opposition, the "abortionists", the atheists, the drug users, the mentally ill...

RFK Jr.:

"I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need — three or four years if they need it— to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities,"

Re-education camps, huh.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 month ago (5 children)

"prepared to declare a national emergency and will use military assets to reverse the Biden invasion through a mass deportation program."

  • Trump reposted Fitton's comment Monday with the caption, "TRUE!!"

I don’t even know what to say. I’m gobsmacked to depression daily that you’re ok with this.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

But EGG PRICES! The economy!

And he's such a strong leader...

(I am paraphrasing actual interviews our local networks did with college students)

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago

Hey, the democratic party wasn't close enough to the workers so there was no alternative..

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Hope everyone in the military is going to be ready because this psycho is going to be calling on you...to do every little thing he wants.

Need to shut down those protesting against him? Better be there.

Need to start beating down people who voted against him? Better be there.

Nothing you'll do will be for the sake of this country's entire interests, it'll be for his interests.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's why I'm hoping the military does its job and protects the country and constitution from him.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well if he has his way, he's going to be able to remove general at will

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So, the Orange Turd plans on suspending the US Constitution and using the so-called national emergency to go for the full power grab. I certainly hope the US military upholds the pledge to protect the US Constitution.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The US president is the commander in chief and the US military is subservient to US president, never mind how many of them come from the MAGA cult bubble themselves. The military is a poor safeguard for democracy.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

The oath to protect the US Constitution from foreign and domestic enemies takes priority. You are correct in one regard, it will depend on the military leadership and soldiers.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (21 children)

There are not enough ICE officers to conduct mass deportation in red states, let alone blue ones. Trump will require cooperation of local police.

If he uses the military in Blue states, it's an obvious attack on the 10th Amendment. It's also illegal to use the military for domestic police work.

We can bet on incompetence for now. Trump needs to grow ICE to a large size before he's even able to conduct a large scale deportation plan of any kind. Deploying the National Guard would be a faux pas, but that's probably the workaround else need to prepare for legally.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh no, its illegal to use the military for domestic police work? Deploying the National Guard would be a "faux pas"?

Well, I'm sure that will stop him for sure!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Its the next political bulwark and where we rally next. If Trump runs over that bulwark, then we make plans afterwards.

But the Military will NOT want to be seen going house-to-house deporting Puerto Rican American Citizens. I know there's a lot of racists out there, but if they do that, we just take some pictures and the national level outrage and blatant racism on the troop's faces will be shown for everyone. And trust me, if a mass deportation order were invoked, 100% legal US Citizens will be swept up in the blatantly racist attack.

These people cannot tell the difference from an illegal Mexican, a legal Haitian or a US Citizen Puerto Rican. I'm serious. So that's no longer a Trump-specific thing at that point. That's commanders and soldiers who will have to live with that for the rest of their lives.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's commanders and soldiers who will have to live with that for the rest of their lives.

If the second Bush era taught us anything, it's that there's plenty of soldiers willing to live with things for the rest of their lives.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

This is a border patrol agent invading a Miami Home to take that small boy on the right (Elian Gonzalez) back to Cuba.

This was a defining moment of the 1990s. What happened here was a Cuban family had a claim on Elian Gonzalez, meaning not only was he an illegal alien, arguably the US-side of the Family was kidnapping him. Gonzalez's father (Cuban side) pushed heavily for US to get Elian back. Ultimately, Clinton agreed with the Father and used deportation agents to capture the child and bring him back to Cuba (effectively deporting him).

Nonetheless, armed troops invading a Miami private home caused a national-level outrage event. Even though it was a 100% illegal alien with a 100% legitimate claim to be deported (ie: be reunited with his Father).


The stories of what will transpire here under Trump will be far more horrific and less gray. They will likely include US Citizens who forgot to hold onto a Driver's License and suddenly are disappeared (especially if he uses untrained dumbasses like US Military, composed largely of 18 year olds who were too dumb to go to college).

We can rely upon the outrage that will occur, but only if we document and take pictures of the horror. The focus needs to be on documenting the horrors as the next step. In any case, no reasonable troop will want to be seen as the man on the left, and no commander will want to be the one to sign their name okaying something like this again.


That also ignores 4th Amendment issues and court cases. How many homes and warrants are they going to issue? Just fucking everyone in a neighborhood? Like how do you actually make this work?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

the national level outrage and blatant racism on the troop’s faces will be shown for everyone

And what will anyone be able to do about it? That's the problem with installing a fascist autocracy. Outrage does not deter fascists. The left needs to organize and be prepared to physically obstruct these actions, and that is not going to be without danger.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

Stoking a violent insurrection while plotting a coup violated a few laws and norms, too.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Trump will require cooperation of local police.

Plenty of pigs are already on his side, and would help him with this willingly.

Also, as president, SCOTUS has already ruled that he can pretty much do what he wants as long as it's an "official" act.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You know what amazes me? That any vaguely brown person who voted for Trump didn't seem to think that even if they are literally carrying their papers at all times and easily able to prove their citizenship, they are gonna be harassed constantly for the next four years. With hopeful some state exceptions, they are going to have to be very careful to speak only 'Murican in public and suppress public display of non-American cultures. They are literally going to be having to watch their backs every day.

WTF.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The guy who couldn't build A WALL is going to orchestrate a mass deportation on millions and millions of people? Ok. Lol. Also, what happens when fruit/vegetables start to rot on the vine because they don't have anyone who will take their shit wages to do it.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago (18 children)

he will 100% focus on “Democrat cities” before he ever rounds up farm workers.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Well. The chips are down. Your move Generals.

For what it's worth I think there's going to be a ton of pushback. To the point where using the military for this becomes infeasible.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Every single bad thing about this country, from now on, will be prepended with "Biden"

It shall be law.

I'm not actually sure if I'm joking.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Saw this one coming. He'll do the same to justify ending elections.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (8 children)
  • this is terrifying.
  • This does not sound legally permissible, see posse comitatus.
  • Members of the military have an obligation to refuse illegal orders. I am neither in the military nor a lawyer, so I can’t go too deep on that.

Even if we see (likely) “act first, let it wind through the courts later,” I’d expect there to be a substantial number of refusals.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Everything will be a national emergency to pass any and everything they want to.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

How do we gum up the works?

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