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these folks sure are quiet these days (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 11 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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i can't even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.

edit: well they're not quiet now once they get called out

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 6 hours ago (9 children)

It's so weird. Gaza is extremely important and deserving of the attention. It's genocide, and it's horrific. But is no one else important? Because we can't save Gaza immediately, it's really better to set outselevs on fire so we can burn together? Like, real talk, Harris will be fine. Biden will be fine. It's our friends and neighbors who are going to be deported, harassed, laid off, homeless and scared for a minimum of four years.

I wouldn't say they're gone though. I've been down voted, told "my kind/type" are all talk, or that I'm okay with murder, I voted for genocide, the usual. But I couldn't sit and do nothing.

But I guess this is what they wanted. The dems have been taught a lesson, we're moving headfirst into a dictatorship, and Gaza is no safer, but their conscious is clear, somehow.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 12 minutes ago* (last edited 10 minutes ago)

You live in the country sending the bombs, scum. Go fucking die. I hope you get drafted to Iran lmao

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they are Isreali or Russian psy ops accounts (or at least useful idiots that have bought the psy ops).

When the war started, Lemmy was overrun by the "criticism of Isreal is antisemetic" accounts. That was rejected pretty hard. Those guys disappeared, and the "never genocide" people took their place.

It almost seems like a change in tactics to achieve the same goal.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 minutes ago

Or maybe (just maybe) people are genuinely disguisted by american support for warcrime and all the libs pretending extermination isn't that big of a deal because both sides support it anyway.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 hours ago

the “criticism of Israel is antisemitism” accounts are gone because they were banned. Zionism and the insistence that a genocidal state is indivisible from an entire ethnic group is racism, and against most instance’s TOS.

“never genocide” content does not break TOS and so has lasted since october 7th through today. to the uninformed eye this dynamic might look like a change in tactic but really it’s just two different groups, one which got banned after a few days or weeks and one which did not.

just correcting your “change in tactics”/“it’s astroturfing” narrative. i don’t think it holds up in comparison to a much more likely explanation, and i might even use the word ludicrous to describe your argument unless you can provide further evidence.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

Considering the fediverse's low market share compared to non-federated alternatives, I'd be suprised if any malicious actors waste time and money running a psyops here. Like, you reach more people on Reddit for the same ammount of effort.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 minutes ago

Americans have very short attention spans.

They are stupid enough to astroturf the whole lemmyverse with their election bullcrap (9 posts out of 10 on the frontpage were about their idiotic elections) and then whine it attracts attention from foreigners like myself.

I think the worst ones being the canadians and other germans larping as americans.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago

You'd reach more people on bigger platforms, but it is easier to steer the conversation with smaller groups. So I don't think its totally clear-cut where the best psyops targets would be.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

thank you for saying this skskkssk. Occam’s razor: is it more likely that foreign psy-ops have incredibly poor cost-benefit analysis skills (while excelling in everything else), or that a couple dozen people have deeply held beliefs that led them to be vocal in the midst of tragedy?

call me crazy but the latter narrative makes a lot fewer assumptions.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

It was 100% astroturfing, 20% people falling for bullshit. Sounds like politics

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago

15% concentrated power of shill.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (5 children)

Real Talk, I'm getting real tired of everyone from the vaguely right of center to the farthest reaches of the left getting involved in this shit slinging blame game.

I legit don't care anymore who you voted for (edit: so long as it wasn't Trump I mean. But even then, time to start your redemption arc if you did). We are past the election and now all share the same immediate issues.

Folks who abstained from voting (or voted 3rd party) because you couldn't stomach the lesser of two evils, good news, that choice is gone. You can stop parroting the idea that anyone who voted Blue did so "in support of genocide". It should be clear by now those who voted Blue really were just doing their best in a bad situation, they are not your enemies.

Folks who voted Blue because you believe supporting the lesser evil is in service of the greater good. Good news, that burden is also gone. You can stop parroting the idea that someone who can't stomach voting for people who would play politics with genocide is really just a tankie or a bot. Not every one is willing to play game theory with people's lives, that doesn't mean they are your enemies.

Anyone who truly wants to push for solidarity and human rights for all is an ally of mine. And I propose we bury the hatchet, preferably in the objectives of fascists, before its too late.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

On this platform specifically we've had months of smug people claiming to make the moral choice of directly or indirectly supporting the clearly worse choice. It's far too early to just let that slide.

If we in 100 years still sometimes talk about the early days of the fediverse where a bunch of morons fell for astroturfing, that's kind of a good outcome.

If they're real people they should feel bad.

For the not so real people, we should figure out how a distibuted system can deal with a concerted astroturfing operation.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 hours ago

I think it is important to point out the failings of others. Otherwise they may not connect the dots and learn from their mistakes.

Sometimes a mistake is innocent, say you forgot to zip up your fly. It’s important to know you forgot to do so as it could be very socially embarrassing.

Sometimes one could accidentally cut someone off in traffic because they didn’t see them. A good honk notifies them of their mistake and will hopefully drive home the fact that they probably need to pay better attention to traffic.

Pointing out that abstaining and or choosing not to vote enabled the election of the greater of two evils is equally important.

Rock on OP. Never let them forget!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

They're easy targets. Blame the abstainers and third party voters and you don't have to confront the legitimate failures of your party and campaign.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 hours ago (8 children)

Dems failed and people who abhor genocide unfortunately had little to do with it, though listening to Lemmy libs you'd think they personally destroyed her campaign

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

They voted for a worse genocide.

In 2 different places no less and possibly more.

They just don't know it yet.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Last I checked Trump lost 3 million voters since last election, and Harris lost 10 million.

The couch won. It's not like people were suddenly won over by a person they've likely seen through 3 election cycles.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Right, which is why people are angry at the people who couldn't even go vote for Harris

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 10 hours ago (38 children)

There sure are a lot of people trying to blame the left because their strategy of appealing to the middle failed.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 hours ago

If the left would rather have Trump than a centrist Harris government, the left deserves blame

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The Democratic party or a campaign can't fail, they can only be failed, right OP?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Two things can be bad.

The Democrats clearly didn't figure out how to win in the reality we have, with the voters we have. They should definitely figure out what they could have done better.

The people who didn't vote for Harris deserve all shame they can get. It was not a hard choice. It shouldn't have been even close.

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