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i can't even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.

edit: well they're not quiet now once they get called out

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they are Isreali or Russian psy ops accounts (or at least useful idiots that have bought the psy ops).

When the war started, Lemmy was overrun by the "criticism of Isreal is antisemetic" accounts. That was rejected pretty hard. Those guys disappeared, and the "never genocide" people took their place.

It almost seems like a change in tactics to achieve the same goal.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago

the “criticism of Israel is antisemitism” accounts are gone because they were banned. Zionism and the insistence that a genocidal state is indivisible from an entire ethnic group is racism, and against most instance’s TOS.

“never genocide” content does not break TOS and so has lasted since october 7th through today. to the uninformed eye this dynamic might look like a change in tactic but really it’s just two different groups, one which got banned after a few days or weeks and one which did not.

just correcting your “change in tactics”/“it’s astroturfing” narrative. i don’t think it holds up in comparison to a much more likely explanation, and i might even use the word ludicrous to describe your argument unless you can provide further evidence.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Considering the fediverse's low market share compared to non-federated alternatives, I'd be suprised if any malicious actors waste time and money running a psyops here. Like, you reach more people on Reddit for the same ammount of effort.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

thank you for saying this skskkssk. Occam’s razor: is it more likely that foreign psy-ops have incredibly poor cost-benefit analysis skills (while excelling in everything else), or that a couple dozen people have deeply held beliefs that led them to be vocal in the midst of tragedy?

call me crazy but the latter narrative makes a lot fewer assumptions.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

You'd reach more people on bigger platforms, but it is easier to steer the conversation with smaller groups. So I don't think its totally clear-cut where the best psyops targets would be.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Psyops are everywhere

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

if they are running a psyop its probably a secondary effect of psyopping twitter or some shit, leaking over to here in a more genuine fashion.

Literal astroturfing, if you will, what the definition of astroturfing actually is lmao.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh, don't worry, the conspiracy theory is capable of making sense of any incongruities like that, just like OP can explain away the fact that we didn't actually disappear as predicted. You see, this is where the Russian bots practice their techniques and try out different lines before deploying them on a larger scale.

It's not based on evidence or reason so the believers will never be convinced based on evidence or reason, same as any other conspiracy theory.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Americans have very short attention spans.

They are stupid enough to astroturf the whole lemmyverse with their election bullcrap (9 posts out of 10 on the frontpage were about their idiotic elections) and then whine it attracts attention from foreigners like myself.

I think the worst ones being the canadians and other germans larping as americans.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I don't think astroturfing means what you think it means.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It was 100% astroturfing, 20% people falling for bullshit. Sounds like politics

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

15% concentrated power of shill.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Bitch my friend in Beyruth died. Heartless scum

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

“criticism of Isreal is antisemetic” accounts. That was rejected pretty hard. Those guys disappeared, and the “never genocide” people took their place.

So let me get this straight... you think that hasbara accounts turned into anti genocide accounts.. thats your brilliant theory? they just all switched sides?

I dont even know what to say to logic like that.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago

Or maybe (just maybe) people are genuinely disguisted by american support for warcrime and all the libs pretending extermination isn't that big of a deal because both sides support it anyway.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago

Absolutely! There is no doubt. Such fallacies is what they do. Mostly they go with "they are all the same", then take an absolute approach attack on the principles of the left(er) political party.