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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 minutes ago

That is situational. Preferably people don't lie. However, nuance can make it inevitable.

I once watched an anime called Usagi Drop. In it, the oldest member in an enormous family, who was in his eighties, ends up, ahem, "going around", and he dies having fathered a girl, who, in the big picture of the family's family tree, is the great aunt of several of the characters who are well into adulthood. Japan is a nation that considers such matters highly controversial and stigmatized, and this was a major plot point in the show. The young adult characters decide it's best to "adopt" her and not reveal her origins as a form of protection. Would totally recommend the anime nevertheless.

Can you imagine if the Allies were fighting the Axis powers, and while making the ghost army, the Allies were like "yeah, those tanks are inflatables, it's Normandy we'll be going after"?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 hours ago

Nothing wrong with saying "I don't know".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

May I ask for some context to that question?

I mean, the answer should be obvious to anyone with an ounce of (self)respect: stay shut if you know... you don't know. But maybe you were thinking about some very specific situation?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

None.

When a man lies he murders some part of the world.

-- Merlin (Excalibur, 1981)

If you know something to be false and try to pass it off as truth, that is lying. It doesn't matter how you phrase it or try to hide behind symantics like "I'm just asking questions" or "it's just a hypothetical".

That being said, it does not mean that you cannot contribute to a conversations if you are not an authority on a subject. If you are not sure or cannot recall a credible source for your information you can preface your comment with something like "I never confirmed the validity of this, so I may be completely wrong, but...".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Or just ask questions instead of trying to chime in. If you're unfamiliar with a subject then you should be listening, not talking.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

So true. If you are lacking knowledge on a topic, asking questions is always the best approach.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 hours ago

It is always better to admit when you don't know something, than to make up bullshit. Always.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

No information is the best option. How bad the misinformation is depends on intent. Is the misinformation a lie intentionally told to conceal a truth? Or is it bullshit, information intended to persuade regardless of truth?

Someone who lies and someone who tells the truth are playing on opposite sides, so to speak, in the same game. Each responds to the facts as he understands them, although the response of the one is guided by the authority of the truth, while the response of the other defies that authority and refuses to meet its demands. The bullshitter ignores these demands altogether. He does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.

From Harry Frankfurt's essay On Bullshit

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

I think the state in this case needs to be divided into adversarial and non-adversarial departments (or subdepartments). It's better to tell (for example) the water department you don't know whether the pipes are lead if that's the case, rather than forcing them to unearth copper pipes or letting them leave lead pipes.

But it is absolutely appropriate (assuming you believe in strong rights to privacy) to insert NSA keywords into benign communications, so that NSA wastes time on your false positives, but that's because NSA isn't supposed to be doing mass surveillance of the public, rather is supposed to be helping develop communication security that is impervious to surveillance.

If your local precinct actually works with the community, doesn't harass minorities and doesn't rob civilians via asset forfeiture, it might be worth giving them sound information (including saying you don't know what you don't know.) On the other hand if it behaves typically for law enforcement in the US, leading them to chase geese will save everyone else trouble.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Depends.
Your fellows? None at all.
The State? Misinformation

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

The State? Misinformation

And that's how you get Republicans saying that Haitians are eating pets in Ohio.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

The Republicans who spread that rumor didn't care whether it was true, and was looking for choice rumors to spread.

It's blood libel for the 21st century.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Yeah it was the pets eating ohioans but they failed to fix that news