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Summary

Steve Lee Hayes, a 65-year-old American tourist, was arrested in Tokyo for allegedly carving family members’ names into a wooden Torii gate at the Meiji Shrine.

Surveillance footage led police to his hotel, where he was detained.

Hayes admitted to the act, which could result in up to three years in prison or a fine of 300,000 yen ($1,900).

The Meiji Shrine, a significant Shinto site, was built in 1920 to honor Emperor Meiji and Empress Shoken. The incident occurs amid a surge in international tourism to Japan this year.

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[–] [email protected] 131 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Prison would be most appropriate.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The fine sure seems low for defacing an important religious shrine.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Not sure that shrine in particular but I do think torii gates in some shrines are replaced somewhat often. At Inari they had business names behind them which I assume are the 'sponsors' of that torii, probably they pay to have the gate fixed and I imagine that brings luck to that business. In short, he might have been lucky to deface the least critical part of the shrine.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's good at least. I'd hate to think this was a century old (or whatever) torii he defaced.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

oh, Im just guessing here though (from what I saw when visiting), hopefully that is the case

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Kinda like Americans donating to have a bench named after them in a park.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

My understanding is that the business names are there because Inari is a kami associated with merchants and businesspeople. They donate a gate, slap the company name on it, and Inari provides.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The toriis at meiji jingu are gigantic. It would unfortunately cost millions to replace one.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Then the sentence makes no sense to me

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Put that fuckin Boomer in prison for 3 years.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Bordering on Gen X but anyone this disrespectful is still a boomer. They need to jail him. A fine is too easy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Genx is 1965 – 1980.

At 65, he's 6 years too old to be Gen X.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I could have guessed he was over 60 because he wasn't live streaming the whole thing. Just an old school asshole, not an influencer.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago

All that really proves is that people don't need YouTube to do things for attention.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Americans being dumb cunts. What a surprise.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Like our election didn't give it away?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The rest of the world has known this for years.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

So have we.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 month ago

Like how dumb do you have to be?

... Checks timeline. Oh thats the norm...

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Looks like the Temu version of Bannon.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Asshole should have his passport revoked on top of being jailed.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Oh. I thought maybe he ate a banana on an offering plate or something culturally ambiguous

He fucking carved his name into wood? That's never OK anywhere

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (4 children)

He’s cooked.

For the unaware, Japan has like a 99.9% conviction rate after arrests, because they basically don’t arrest unless they’re absolutely 100% positive that they can secure a conviction. The suspect also has no right to an attorney, and police abuse is common; Even if you’re innocent, they’ll just keep you in an interrogation room without any food or water for 72 hours until you “confess”. They’ll literally just rotate cops into the interrogation room, without giving you a break for food or sleep.

And Japanese prisons are some of the strictest. You’re basically expected to remain silent, and every moment of your time is accounted for. You get like 20 minutes to eat each meal (in your cell) and then like 30 minutes of “recreational” time outside, where you’re expected to kneel in place in an empty courtyard. Moving to and from your cell is akin to old elementary schools where everyone would have to line up single file and silently walk from one place to the next while following the teacher. And that’s pretty much your daily routine for the entire time you’re in. You sit in your cell, slam down what little food you get, silently walk to the courtyard, silently kneel for 30 minutes, silently walk back to your cell, and slam down dinner before bedtime. Any deviation is dealt with swiftly and violently by the guards.

Japan has a very skewed idea of criminal justice, because the prevailing attitude is that if you’re in prison, you must have done something to deserve it. It’s sort of a cyclical problem, where their insanely high conviction rate means that the public already assumes suspects are guilty before they have even been convicted.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

"Guilty unless proven innocent" is literally the law in Japan

the Phoenix Wright series was literally made as a scathing critique of the Japanese Legal System, luckily the absurdity appeals to the West even if the commentary doesn't.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Thanks for telling the truth, Alot of media like to show japan as a good country,like they wanna show certain countries as bad and good(I already knew some of the stuff but not everything mentione).

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

As he should be, what an absolute moron.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Why people want to carve names on stuff... It's the same people who write their names on bathroom doors

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

No idea but it’s been going on for millennia

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Bathrooms are like the only place this is OK...but do it in sharpie so it can easily be removed

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

That’s a slap on the wrist if they only impose the fine. That should be a five year jail sentence at least.

You cannot act like a dick like this in other countries. Defacing a religious site no less.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

America: making Japan worse since 1853 (with a brief pause in the mid-20th century while they did it to themselves).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Would Japan have been better had the shogunate continued?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I'll let you know when my window into parallel universes has been completed, but I promised someone else to look into whether or not the Aztecs would have been worse for Mexico if the Spanish hadn't invaded first.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

We're doing it to ourselves again

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

what a stupid fuck

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

What an arsehole.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, that sounds like an American.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No offense, but Germans are no match for the reputation our tourists have...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

How about tourists suck in general https://youtu.be/kYbnsoWux4s

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Good, americans act like this and they get the consequences they deserve

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

If anyone acts like this they get the consequences.

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