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The static on old CRT TVs with rabbit ears was the cosmic microwave background. No one in the last 25 years has ever seen it.

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[–] [email protected] 141 points 1 month ago

Well, not really. The cosmic microwave background radiation was a tiny fraction of that noise. What everyone saw was mostly thermal noise generated by the amplifier circuit inside the TV.

[–] [email protected] 111 points 1 month ago (4 children)

CRTs was in use well into the 2000s

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Even before the 2000s they started showing a blue screen instead of static.

That wasn't just a digital or flat panel thing.

But of course old sets were around for a long time.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (4 children)

My memory of the exacts here are fuzzy, but I think this depended on whether or not your TV picked up digital signal, analog, or both. I remember around that time we had a TV that would pick up static on some channels and have a blue input screen on others.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

It's definitelly an analog over the air TV thing.

The way digital works you would either get a "No signal" indicator (because the circuitry detects the signal to noise ratio is too low) or squarish artifacts (because of the way the compression algorithms for digital video are designed).

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah I was still using a CRT as recently as 2012. I think OP means analogue TVs.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Technically, it's not about the display technology, but instead about the signal/tuner. More specifically if it's analog or digital. Some modern TVs still have analog or hybrid tuners for backwards compatibility and regions that still use analog, so they can display static. For instance, in Ukraine we finished the switch to digital TV only a couple of years ago. If your TV had no digital tuner (as was the case for many) you had to buy a DAC box. Retirees/pensioners got them for free, sponsored by the government.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, my youngest sibling has definitely seen CRTs. My niblings probably haven’t, though.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Do you think CRTs just magically disappeared after the turn of the millennium?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don’t you still see this when using an OTA ATSC tuner on a newer LCD display? I thought this was a function of the signal generation and not the display technologies.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It actually was a pretty rapid switch where all the CRTs disappeared

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago (3 children)

they have to watch HBO shows to compensate

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People born before 2000 think older technology just evaporated the minute the millenium ticked over.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Like when the black and white world suddenly got colorized! My grandpap told me about them old days - when the lawn, the sidewalk and the sky were just different shades of gray.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It is entirely possible for people born after 2000 to have grown up with CRTs.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It is, but those late model CRTs often had a lot of digital circuitry that displayed a solid color on channels with nothing on them. Unless there was a much older CRT around, they never would have seen it.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

By the way, the picture illustrating the post isn't actually displaying the real thing - the noise in it is too squarish and has no grey tones.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

TV static in recent movies and shows that are set in the past almost always instantly pull me out of the narrative because no one seems to be able to get it right and some are just stunningly bad. It's usually very subtle, so much so that I'm not sure I could even describe what's wrong. Makes me feel old to notice it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think the problem is because CRT displays didn't have pixels so the uniform noise which is static was not only uniformely spread in distribution and intensity (i.e. greyscale level) but also had "dots" of all sizes.

Also another possible thing that's off is the speed at which the noise changes: was it the 25fps refresh rate of a CRT monitor, related to that rate but not necessarily at that rate or did the noise itself had more persistent and less persistent parts?

The noise is basically the product of radio waves at all frequencies with various intensities (though all low) with only the ones that could pass the bandpass filter of the TV tuner coming through (and being boosted up in intensitity by automatic gain control) and being painted along a phosphorous screen (hence no pixels) as the beam draw line by line the screen 25 times per second so to get that effect right you probably have to simulate it mathematically from a starting point of random radio noise and it can't be going through things with pixels (such as 3D textures) to be shown and probably requires some kind of procedural shader.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (8 children)

No one in the last 25 years has ever seen it.

I mean you can still find a CRT today and turn it on if you like, they're less common for sure, but they're still around if you're looking for one

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago

I bought a plasma in 2009 that would show static if I turned it to cable channels without cable plugged in. Plasmas were susceptible to burn in and since I would game a lot I could see health bars etc start to burn in after a while. Whenever that would happen I would turn it to the static screen - making each pixel flip from one end of the spectrum to the other rapidly like that would actually help remove the burn in.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (8 children)

The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel. - William Gibson, Neuromancer

One of the most beautiful opening lines to a novel.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you remember that it was written in 1984, the color is obviously black and white static. If you don’t think about the year, you might be lead to believe it is blue.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Tube TV's remained in common service well into the 2010's. The changeover from analog to fully digital TV transmission did not happen until 2009, with many delays in between, and the government ultimately had to give away digital-to-analog tuner boxes because so many people still refused to let go of their old CRT's.

Millions of analog TV's are still languishing in basements and attics in perfect working order to this very day, still able to show you the cosmic background, if only anyone would dust them off or plug them in. Or in many retro gaming nerds' setups. I have one, and it'll show me static any time I ask. (I used it to make this gif, for instance.)

In fact, with no one transmitting analog television anymore (probably with some very low scale hobbyist exceptions), the cosmic background radiation is all they can show you now if you're not inputting video from some other device. Or unless you have one of those dopey models that detects a no-signal situation and shows a blue screen instead. Those are lame.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

2001 here literally grew up with CRT static, you have your years a bit off there.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Last time I thought about static I wondered why colour TV didn't show colour static.

Turns out the colour signal was on very specific frequencies, and if it wasn't present, it would assume it was a black and white signal and turn off the colour circuit.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It really isn't though. It is thermal noise.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

My family had several tvs that did this until around 2013

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Born 2000, yes i have. So has my younger brother

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Dude I was born after 2000 and this is firmly planted in my memories. Maybe people born after 2010 haven't but 2000?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

2002 here, we still had such a TV. For quite a while actually, since we never upgraded and just started using phones and computers instead. It became my console monitor.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

yeah i have

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

"The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel." - William Gibson, Neuromancer

Gibson describes the static as metallic, silvery gray in an interview.

"The sky was the perfect untroubled blue of a television screen, tuned to a dead channel." - Neil Gaiman, Neverwhere

I remember the white static myself.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's not background, that's a free channel that showcases a polar bear in a snowstorm.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I think they call it "analog horror noise" now, along with vhs cassettes.

...

Feel the passage of time XD

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (5 children)

On a CRT? Sure, probably a lot haven't seen it. On a modern TV? Still possible for some - mine does this if I hit the channel button rather than volume accidentally.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

The sky above the port was the colour of television, tuned to a dead channel...........

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Except for that most of it was not.
A lot of the noise on the screen (and speaker) was affected by radiation from nearby stuff.

I'd think that nowadays, it would be even more so, with way more WiFi and mobile phone signals everywhere. Now sure, different frequencies mean they would affect less, but the cumulative effect would still be more than the CMBR.

Also, I have a flat-screen CRT at home.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Cosmic microwave? Is that what you are calling "ants in a snowstorm" these days?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

CRTs were fairly common until the early-mid 10s

I'd say born after 2008ish aren't likely to be familiar with them, except seeing the odd one in their grandparents bedroom

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

No one in the last 25 years has ever seen it.

People didn't just mass-destroy CRTs in 1999...

I bought an LCD TV in 2006 (a Sony Bravia that is still going strong) and that was earlier than most people I know switched

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Say that to my three CRTs. I was born in 2003.

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